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Originally posted by gunnut View PostDid I say "LCS-3?" I meant "LCS-2" the trimaran hull of the Independence. I thought it's a pretty cool concept and provides a huge flight deck for the tonnage to operate helos and UAVs from.
You might also find interesting the MMC design variant (Multi-Mission combatant).
(similar to but different than LCS variant, more missiles, different CIWS, etc.)
http://www.gdlcs.com/sites/default/f...C-Brochure.pdfLast edited by JRT; 21 Oct 10,, 06:20..
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Originally posted by HKDan View PostI always preferred this one over the Lockheed Martin one too, but think I remember having read somewhere that the LCS-1 design was considered to be at an advantage by some because there were a greater number of shipyards that could handle the design. Still, IF the LCS continues, I would much rather see the LCS-2 design with that giant flight deck get the award."There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Found this article completely by acident:
overworked sailors?
Sounds like the crew is seriously undermaned. 4 hours of sleep?!
And why exactly does the LCS need a 35-40knot speed? Planning on running over drug boats?...
Suggestion to the USN: dump the LCS and have the shipyards buy construction rights for Meko-type light frigates. Cheap, proven and efective.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostFound this article completely by acident:
overworked sailors?
Sounds like the crew is seriously undermaned. 4 hours of sleep?!
And why exactly does the LCS need a 35-40knot speed? Planning on running over drug boats?...
Suggestion to the USN: dump the LCS and have the shipyards buy construction rights for Meko-type light frigates. Cheap, proven and efective.
The high speed is needed for getting in and getting out quickly and aids greatly in manuvering especially in confined waters such as Littorial suggests. If they ever intended to launch a torpedo or escape one or other weapons then their manuverability comes into play and their shallow draft or having to chase down or evade fast boats such as what Iran and other countries use. Frigates cannot manuver that quickly nor speed away that quickly. The USN prefers primarily to design and build their own ships and choose by trial and error instead of using someone elses design.Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Oct 10,, 15:50.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post*IMO, You have to remember they are still in their trial phase. 4 on 4 off is standard. These individuals have a varying schedule since the USN is out to find out their endurance and capabilities. That may explain the numerous hours on watch.
The high speed is needed for getting in and getting out quickly and aids greatly in manuvering especially in confined waters such as Littorial suggests. If they ever intended to launch a torpedo or escape one or other then their manuverability comes into play and their shallow draft or having to chase down fast boats such as what Iran and other countries use. Frigates cannot manuver that quickly nor speed away that quickly. The USN prefers primarily to design and build their own ships and choose by trial and error instead of using someone elese design.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostThat's a very expensive "trial and error". I'd very much like to know what the USN knows that apparently no one else does. I can't find any modern general purpose warship that size built to go that fast. As for speed being that vital to get in and out, even the 1500-ton israeli Sa'ar 5s (US built...), who spend most (if not all?) of their time in costal waters, seem to have a top speed of only 33 knots. I'd assume that, for manuverability in shallow draft (and how shallow can a 3k ton vessel go...) the ability to perform tight turns (even maybe rotate) would be more important. For that, you need extra rudders and props (no, I'm not a sailor, but it stands to reason), not speed-boat speeds. And if you're running from missiles, no amount of speed is going to save you...Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Oct 10,, 16:28.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by Dreadnought View PostThe USN wanted a faster platform then others posess and they now have one in testing. Lighter, faster and more manuverable are key outside their defensive and offensive capabilities.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostLighter as compared to what? The impression one get's is that the USN is trying to build a light, cheap, fast jack-of-all-trades-and-master-of-all. The USN seems to be trying to cram an assult ship, heli carrier and frigate, all into a corvete hull. What you have is a ship that's overweight and expensive as heck, and poorly armed, unless it moves around constantly fited for combat, which pretty much defeats a basic concept of the ship: modular ability.
If you think these are fast they you should see their previous test bed the Sea Fighter (FSF-1), meaning "Fast Sea Frame". An aluminum hulled wave piercing catamaran. It can do 59 knots.
Fact files on the LCS program and testbeds. (FSF-1) http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_di...&tid=1200&ct=4Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Oct 10,, 18:35.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostThat's a very expensive "trial and error". I'd very much like to know what the USN knows that apparently no one else does. I can't find any modern general purpose warship that size built to go that fast.
Originally posted by jlvfr View PostAs for speed being that vital to get in and out, even the 1500-ton israeli Sa'ar 5s (US built...), who spend most (if not all?) of their time in costal waters, seem to have a top speed of only 33 knots. I'd assume that, for manuverability in shallow draft (and how shallow can a 3k ton vessel go...) the ability to perform tight turns (even maybe rotate) would be more important. For that, you need extra rudders and props (no, I'm not a sailor, but it stands to reason), not speed-boat speeds. And if you're running from missiles, no amount of speed is going to save you..."Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostOr make it smaller, thus saving much $$$"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
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