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  • #76
    We have a proper visualization for MKS180 finally:

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    Main change from 2017 stats post is the official "10,000 tons displacement".

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    • #77
      Seeing the old thread I have 2 questions:

      1. Was the Sachsen repaired and returned to service?

      2. Have the RAMs been used anywhere operationally?
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        Was the Sachsen repaired and returned to service?
        Was repaired during yard time in the first half of 2019 which had been scheduled to refurbish interiors of the ship anyway.

        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        Have the RAMs been used anywhere operationally?
        In the sense of firing on hostile missiles? Don't think so.

        Offhand German maneuvers in the past have at least included firings against live Kormoran 2 missiles deployed by Tornado aircraft, possibly against MM40 Exocet too.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by kato View Post
          • exercising an option to fully replace the three current 3,000-ton multipurpose ships used for the North Sea by the Coast Guard's Central Command for Maritime Emergencies with three new 5,000-ton ships.

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          Visualization:
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          Role of these ships is to respond to maritime emergencies, in particular with oil spills, anywhere within German territorial waters within two hours.

          They're:
          • equipped with full NBC citadels and five remote-controlled watercannons for firefighting; engines for the new ships are LNG since diesels do choke on fumes
          • carry heavy oil recovery equipment incl. tanks for 1,000 tons recovered chemicals (they'll also have ground terminals for the Do-228LM oil spill patrol aircraft onboard)
          • run as heavy ocean tugs (bollard pull of 145t) to assists large ships with broken machinery
          • carry and deploy buoys and other similar equipment
          • can act as icebreakers (ice class IA)
          • are used for maritime law enforcement, including by helicopter

          Accomodation is for 16 crew plus 34 mission personnel. Planned displacement is somewhere around 7,000 tons full load - they're 5,200 tons empty. To commission 2023-2025.

          Operational use is sorta along the lines of a USCG Juniper class ship on heavy steroids, with the firefighting added on top.

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          • #80
            Thanks
            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • #81


              Commissioning of second F125 class frigate F223 Nordrhein-Westfalen, two months ago, held under Covid conditions.

              Notable: 100 km range for the 127mm Vulcano against land targets explicitly mentioned.

              Also quite a lot of interesting inside and closeup shots, incl. deckside armament, boat bays, machinery room and cabins.

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              • #82
                That is a nice ship. Trade one for five of our LCS? No, well worth a try.

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                • #83
                  F222 Baden-Württemberg, the first F125, on a port visit in Stockholm in January, drone video - if taken in Germany the video would probably be illegal:


                  F224 Sachsen-Anhalt, the next F125 class ship, on the Kiel canal around the same time early June:
                  Not commissioned yet, noticable from lack of national flag and "civilian homeport" Hamburg marked very small below the F224 on the stern.


                  F225 Rheinland-Pfalz, the fourth and last one, is also complete and on sea trials in the Baltic right now. A bit oddly i can only find Russian videos of her...


                  Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                  That is a nice ship. Trade one for five of our LCS? No, well worth a try.
                  The factor is more like two-and-a-half.

                  2.5x the displacement
                  2.5x the crew
                  2.5x the main gun size

                  ...2.5x the delays in commissioning.
                  Last edited by kato; 22 Aug 20,, 10:06.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by kato View Post

                    Somewhat interestingly the Interior Ministry has decided to arm the three new 86m OPVs - as one of the last acts of the previous minister before the new government in April. They were also considering a containerized MLG27 solution, but have apparently now decided on a 57mm Bofors.

                    The Federal Police is also getting three new, additional H215 Super Puma for the three ships.

                    Planned look (without 57mm):

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                    They're being built in Lithuania at Western Baltija Shipbuilding and then transferred to Fassmer in Germany for final outfitting. First finished hull was towed over in April.
                    The three ships were commissioned last year.

                    First one has now received its weapons modifications over the last couple weeks at Fassmer:

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                    57mm Bofors gun on the foredeck, two pintle mounts for .50 cal MGs on the bridge wings.

                    First German Coastguard ships to be armed since the Federal Borderguard became the Federal Police in 1997. The other two ships are in active service and will receive their weapons outfit sometime next year.

                    The ships are slightly enlarged, extremely automated versions of the OPV80 patrol ships sold by Fassmer to the Colombian and Chilean navies; the Colombian and Chilean ships are armed much the same, using a 40mm Bofors gun on the foredeck. In German service they run with a crew of 14.

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