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  • The Thresher didn't implode and had survivors

    People were alive on the USS Thresher for more than a day after what ever caused her to lose contact and be unable to surface.

    37 Pings : Death Throes of the USS Thresher - YouTube

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    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    People were alive on the USS Thresher for more than a day after what ever caused her to lose contact and be unable to surface.

    37 Pings : Death Throes of the USS Thresher - YouTube
    She was 8,400 feet down in 5 major sections spread out all over the place.

    Seawolf arrived to search 24 hours later on April 11. Are we to assume the boat was in a holding pattern at some survivable depth before finally going all the way to the bottom? Too many ifs and mays. Reminds me of strike reports, by pilots, after an attack on each sides Navy in WWII. So I think Seawolf was hearing lots of extraneous noises from all over the place as it was crawling with ships on the surface besides undersea noises.
    Last edited by tbm3fan; 14 Jul 21,, 18:38.

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    • #3
      Yes, its possible she was at some sort of nuetral boyuancy. Seawolf was apoarently convinced. They were hearing the Thresher go the point of trying to straddle her two gertrudes to get an exact fix.

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      • #4
        The big problem with what the Seawolf thinks she heard and what the commenter thinks is that people have a bad habit of hearing what they want to hear and seeing what they want to see ergo UFOs and now this.

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        • #5
          The commentor is a former sonarman. So he isn't reading the release looking for big foot or aliens. Granted his experiance is 688's and Ohio's but its still relevant expertise.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zraver View Post
            The commentor is a former sonarman. So he isn't reading the release looking for big foot or aliens. Granted his experiance is 688's and Ohio's but its still relevant expertise.
            He won't be any different than Navy pilots thinking that they saw UFOs. This guy has so much background knowledge, almost 60 years since the event, that he could easily have some subconscious bias in him that he can't control for. Seeing what you want and hearing what you want encompasses everyone including professionals.

            As far as neutral buoyancy the Thresher would have needed an experienced dive officer in order to maintain trim in the boat. Neutral buoyancy is constantly changing because of the variables involved dealing both with the boat and the water. If the Thresher were taking on water then the dive officer would need to be pumping out water from his tanks via air on a constant basis as the boat took on more and more water. I don't see neutral buoyancy as much as a slow descent downwards by a boat already at her maximum depth.

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            • #7
              Read the article on "The War Zone". Haven't watched the video (still unpacking. not found my computer speakers yet)

              https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ng-to-new-docs

              This is what stuck out to me

              The Seawolf faced a problem, however, since the sonar activity of the destroyers that were also involved in the search was making it hard to decipher signals coming from what was now assumed to be the Thresher. Furthermore, the Seawolf needed to come near the surface each time its crew wanted to relay messages to other vessels in the search party, or to the headquarters ashore.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                He won't be any different than Navy pilots thinking that they saw UFOs. This guy has so much background knowledge, almost 60 years since the event, that he could easily have some subconscious bias in him that he can't control for. Seeing what you want and hearing what you want encompasses everyone including professionals.

                As far as neutral buoyancy the Thresher would have needed an experienced dive officer in order to maintain trim in the boat. Neutral buoyancy is constantly changing because of the variables involved dealing both with the boat and the water. If the Thresher were taking on water then the dive officer would need to be pumping out water from his tanks via air on a constant basis as the boat took on more and more water. I don't see neutral buoyancy as much as a slow descent downwards by a boat already at her maximum depth.
                Slow still means what ever casualty wasn't immediately fatal. A cold terror filled end instead of something quick. Makes the story all the more tragic.

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                • #9
                  As an aside Argentina has finally thrown in the towel and given up trying to maintain a submarine force in the foreseeable future. Everything is being scrapped or mothballed, no more attempts at 'modernizing' their one remaining serviceable boat. They should have done it a decade ago - sailors would still alive today if they had.
                  If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by zraver View Post

                    Slow still means what ever casualty wasn't immediately fatal. A cold terror filled end instead of something quick. Makes the story all the more tragic.
                    No one ever said it was a fast end. How could it be as the sub must sink far enough below it's crush depth for it to implode. I'm sure that was the case with many a sub sunk during WWII as it too slowly sunk after suffering damage and took on water it couldn't pump out.

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                    • #11
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wJQUDOhu-U This is a round table discussion by a bunch of O-6's Submariner discussing the document referenced in the Sub Brief video.

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