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    Russia has tested the Topol-M missile. How is this going to impact US decision making on the Missile defence shield.

    http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/87/...01_TopolM.html

    Russia tests Topol-M missile to subdue USA's $50-billion air defense
    11/02/2005 11:33


    The unpredictable flight trajectory of the Russian missile makes it immune to destruction

    The successful test launch of the Topol-M missile has proved that the up-to-date Russian warhead is capable of subduing the USA's air defense, Russian military specialists say.

    Russian strategic troops performed the test launch of the intercontinental ballistic missile RS-12M Topol on November 1. The chairman of the press service of the troops, Colonel Alexander Vovk, stated after the test launch that the missile successfully hit the conditional target on the Balkhash range ground in Kazakhstan.

    It is worthy of note that yesterday's launch of the Topol-M missile became the sixth test of the system, which was created to subdue the US air defense. The Russian military command was keeping the entire flight data under control during the launch of the missile. The test showed that the maneuver, as performed by the missile on its flight trajectory, would not let foreign air defense troops intercept and destroy the missile.

    According to the information obtained from the open sources, the arsenal of the Russian strategic troops currently has stationary Topol-M missile systems. It is planned to use the systems on both shaft and mobile bases in the future.

    First shaft-based missile complexes RS-12M Topol-M (SS-X27 under the NATO classification) were added to the Russian defense arsenal in 1997. There are currently four missile units in the Russian troops working with Topol-M systems. Each of the units has up to ten intercontinental ballistic missiles, official sources say.

    The Russian Topol-M missile system has unique technical details. The length of the missile is 22.7 meters, it is 1.95 meters in diameter, the range ability reaches over 10,000 kilometers. The starting weight of the missile is 47.2 tons; the missile gathers speed a lot faster than all previous types with the help of its three engines. In addition, the missile performs unpredictable flight maneuvers owing to several tens of its auxiliary engines.

    Topol-M engineers say that the complex is totally immune to electromagnetic impacts.

    The USA tested one of the elements of the national ABM system on 15 July 2001. The intercepting missile was launched from Ronald Regan Test Site on Marshall Islands and hit a test warhead above the Pacific Ocean, not far from California.

    US President Bush informed the Russian administration on 13 December 2001 about the USA's single-handed pullout from the 1972 START Treaty. The treaty particularly prohibited the deployment of ABM systems on the territory of one single state.

    The USA's ABM plan implies the creation of a layered anti-ballistic shield. The ABM system will give the USA an opportunity to defend its territory against possible attacks on the part of the states from the so-called axis of evil. The USA chose the evolutionary way for the development of its future air defense system, according to which the USA will not have the final and stagnant air defense structure. The USA deploys ground- and sea-based missile interceptors, Patriot systems and a variety of sensors on the ground, at sea and in space.

    The cost of the US ABM project is evaluated at some $50 billion.
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  • #2
    It's not going to. We're not worried about Russian missiles.

    -dale

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dalem
      It's not going to. We're not worried about Russian missiles.

      -dale


      Trying to make a joke are we?

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      • #4
        That would iniciate check mate as we would definately launch all of ours once theirs are detected. Would become a loosing proposition on all sides except for those countries that would survive. If you count out the U.S. then definately count out Russia as well because both countries would ensure total destruction of each other.
        Last edited by Dreadnought; 04 Nov 05,, 20:35.
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        • #5
          It's not going to affect US missile defence shiled, since this shield anyway cannot protect against massive launch, and was created to ensure that "terrorist countries" cannot mount an ICBM attack.

          Russia is also not aiming this research directly at US, it's just ensuring that it's missiles will be effective in the future.

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          • #6
            Go ahead make your missiles. We'll just find some way that I can't think of right now to destroy them in teh future :)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The_Burning_Kid
              Go ahead make your missiles. We'll just find some way that I can't think of right now to destroy them in teh future :)
              "Little hedgehog is walking through the forest and repeating to himself:
              I will not fart, I will not fart...
              [farting]
              It was not me, It was not me ..."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Monk
                Russia has tested the Topol-M missile. How is this going to impact US decision making on the Missile defence shield.
                Its going to have zero impact, the U.S is actually cooperating with Russia on the missile shield. The missile shield was never intended to stop a massive ICBM launch from Russia. It was designed to stop a dozen or so nukes launched from NK or Iran.

                Theres even been talk in Russia about abandoning the START treaty so Russia can downsize its missile fleet further. Its costing Russia far to much to maintain them all right now and the only country they have a practical use against is the U.S/NATO which is very low on the threat scale for them now.

                Unfortunately there is an old school group of military commanders in Russia who are determined to maintain numerical parity with U.S forces across the board even if it means the Russia military falling apart from underfunding, fortunately these officers and officals are getting old and slowing leaving/retiring from the service.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by canoe
                  Unfortunately there is an old school group of military commanders in Russia who are determined to maintain numerical parity with U.S forces across the board even if it means the Russia military falling apart from underfunding, fortunately these officers and officals are getting old and slowing leaving/retiring from the service.
                  If I remember right the Russians have more nukes than the US.
                  "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

                  "Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."

                  Sir Winston Churchill

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The_Burning_Kid
                    Go ahead make your missiles. We'll just find some way that I can't think of right now to destroy them in teh future :)
                    good to know you have so much faith in the American BMD, cause I have zero.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Monk
                      If I remember right the Russians have more nukes than the US.
                      Your correct, I beleive the Russians do have the right to have more nukes then the U.S. If I remember the agreement correctly the Russians are allowed to have the equivlant number of missiles that U.S+NATO has not just the U.S.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by canoe
                        Your correct, I beleive the Russians do have the right to have more nukes then the U.S. If I remember the agreement correctly the Russians are allowed to have the equivlant number of missiles that U.S+NATO has not just the U.S.
                        According to the Wikipedia, the US has the largest stockpile. Your refering to the USSR, which did have a larger nuclear stockpile back then. But Russia doesn't have as much anymore.

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                        • #13
                          Russia is estimated to currently have 8600 operational warheads with another 10,000 in non-operationals status. The US is believed to have 10,600 warheads of which 8,000 is operational.

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                          • #14
                            here's what each side has right now

                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                            Russia is estimated to currently have 8600 operational warheads with another 10,000 in non-operationals status. The US is believed to have 10,600 warheads of which 8,000 is operational.

                            The current nuclear forces of each country are as follows:

                            UNITED STATES

                            500 ICBM's with 750 loaded warheads + 45 Reserve warheads
                            336 SLBM with 2016 warheads + 170 Reserve Warheads
                            950 ALCM - each with one warhead + 45 Reserves (For B-52's)
                            200 Strategic Bombs + 55 Reserves (For B-2's)
                            200 Tomahawk SLCM - All in reserve
                            580 Tactical Bombs (480 are still kept in Europe)
                            The US also has about 9632 "pits" or warhead cores held
                            in a strategic reserve as well another 7000 pits that are
                            considered excess and are scheduled to be eliminated



                            RUSSIA

                            570 ICBM's with 2120 loaded warheads
                            192 SLBM with 672 loaded warheads
                            600 AS-15 ALCM (one warhead each)
                            272 AS-16 ALCM (one warhad each)
                            64 SH-8 ABM missles (one warhead each)
                            36 SH-11 ABM missles (one warhad each)
                            Russia also has about 3750 warheads held in reserve and
                            several thousand more awaitign dismantlement.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The_Burning_Kid
                              According to the Wikipedia, the US has the largest stockpile. Your refering to the USSR, which did have a larger nuclear stockpile back then. But Russia doesn't have as much anymore.
                              Wikipedia is not exactly a "Grade A" source for this kind of info. And I am not talking about USSR. Russia has more nukes.
                              "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

                              "Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."

                              Sir Winston Churchill

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