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  • #16
    And I read the Rafale has $50m unit cost. With parts and training etc. it'd probably work out to be more or less the same as the F-15K given how insanely expensive military hardware has become.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by -{SpoonmaN}-
      Yeah the Rafale is probably the better aircraft, but Singapore would always pick the US-friendly option. If only Australia didn't do the same cause the JSF is starting to look like it may end up being an F-111 style nightmare.

      The Aussies should have picked the F-15 for that too. JSF doesn't have the capabilities they are looking for to replace the F-111,, i.e. a long range strike aircraft. The F-15E was designed to provide a replacement for the F-111 long strike capability,, something JSF AND Rafale do not have. Furthermore,, the F-15 airframe is matured and as so does not require much engineering support, and does not contribute to a significant fraction of the overall aircraft cost. Not true of the Rafale as it is a new airframe which is still undergoing operational development and is still contributing to the overall cost of the aircraft significantly.

      What I'm getting at is that when you purchase an F-15,, you're primarily paying for all the systems included, not the airframe. So though you may pay $70 mil a copy, 70% of that cost is the avionics, radar, targeting systems, propusion, defensive electronic systems, etc. With the Rafale, you may only be paying $50 a copy, but a much larger percentage of the overall bill is the airframe, leaving a smaller percentage of a smaller bill to pay for all the goodies the airframe is stuffed with.

      The F-15 is also a stable aircraft, yet it remains highly maneuverable. This is attributed to several things, not least of which is the high thrust to weight ratio and very low wing loading. Also, the general aerodynamic layout of the aircraft allows it to achieve high performance levels. Have you ever notice how similar the sillouette of an F/A-22 resembles an F-15?

      The Rafale is an unstable strictly fly-by-wire aircraft and this is done to achieve a higher level of maneuverability. The benefit the F-15 has is that it is still highly maneuverable, but due to being a stable design, it can still retain a mechanical flight control system to complement the digital fly-by-wire system significantly increasing survivability. What this means is that the electronics on the aircraft could COMPLETELY shut down and the pilot would still be able to fly the aircraft with a high level of control.

      The F-15 can fly a longer distance with a larger payload than the Rafale, fight it's way into hostile territory, deliver it's ordinance, and fight it's way back home.

      The Rafale is an excellent aircraft,, but when looking for long strike capability I'd put my money on the F-15T, literally.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Unipidity
        I heard somewhere that the F-15K + parts + support were going at $100m apiece. This sounds pricey to me. Anyone got verification, or Rafale comparison figs?

        yea, actually, it is $100 million a piece

        http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00074006

        "And I read the Rafale has $50m unit cost. With parts and training etc. it'd probably work out to be more or less the same as the F-15K given how insanely expensive military hardware has become."

        well, actually, it's closer to $55-56 million, and the Eurofighter is about $58-760 million

        "The F-15 can fly a longer distance with a larger payload than the Rafale, fight it's way into hostile territory, deliver it's ordinance, and fight it's way back home."

        pound for pound, the Rafale can carry more ordnance than any other fighter in the world, did an article that stated that, it was on strategypage.com or something like that

        also, are you saying that the Rafale cannot do the last part of your sentence?



        also, just to support jgetti, no one is really sure how well the Rafale will actually perform in combat, so, that is another bonus for the F-15

        but another positive for the Rafale is that it has beter maintainability, lower costs for maintenance

        btw, the approximate prices for the other aircraft is
        Su-35: approximately $30-35 million
        MiG-29M: about $30 million
        F-18E/F: about $41 million
        JAS-39: and about $40 million
        Last edited by Dima; 28 Apr 05,, 03:01.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dima
          yea, actually, it is $100 million a piece

          http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00074006

          "And I read the Rafale has $50m unit cost. With parts and training etc. it'd probably work out to be more or less the same as the F-15K given how insanely expensive military hardware has become."

          well, actually, it's closer to $55-56 million, and the Eurofighter is about $58-760 million

          "The F-15 can fly a longer distance with a larger payload than the Rafale, fight it's way into hostile territory, deliver it's ordinance, and fight it's way back home."

          pound for pound, the Rafale can carry more ordnance than any other fighter in the world, did an article that stated that, it was on strategypage.com or something like that

          also, are you saying that the Rafale cannot do the last part of your sentence?



          also, just to support jgetti, no one is really sure how well the Rafale will actually perform in combat, so, that is another bonus for the F-15

          but another positive for the Rafale is that it has beter maintainability, lower costs for maintenance

          btw, the approximate prices for the other aircraft is
          Su-35: approximately $30-35 million
          MiG-29M: about $30 million
          F-18E/F: about $41 million
          JAS-39: and about $40 million
          Dima, I can tell you that your prices for the F/A-18 E/F is too low and the price for the F-15K is too high.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jgetti
            Dima, I can tell you that your prices for the F/A-18 E/F is too low and the price for the F-15K is too high.
            whats ur approx for the prices of the two??
            Last edited by ajaybhutani; 28 Apr 05,, 15:44.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ajaybhutani
              whats ur approx for the prices of the two??
              Super Hornet: $58 mil
              Eagle: $75 mil

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              • #22
                What does Singapore actually use its airforce for?

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                • #23
                  To deter foriegn aggresion...
                  To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Unipidity
                    What does Singapore actually use its airforce for?
                    To give the counrty preemptive air-strike capabilities whenever the country feels like it. So if you make Singapore mad, they'll send-out some aircraft and blow your house up. Now that's the real reason they have their airforce.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jgetti
                      Dima, I can tell you that your prices for the F/A-18 E/F is too low and the price for the F-15K is too high.
                      REALLY? because i got them form this site

                      http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00067005
                      and
                      http://www.deagel.com/pandora/?p=pm00074006

                      where are your sources for this, perhaps i should start using those instead
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