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"There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Originally posted by bfng3569 View Postinteresting article from Tyler Rogoway's new gig at the 'The War Zone'........
Let the Japanese pay for restarting the line......
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...-japan-already
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostPipe dream. How many more F-35s could they buy for the price of restarting the F-22 line
the article floats the idea of using the 40 billion the Japanese are looking to spend to restart and update the F22.
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Originally posted by bfng3569 View Posthow many more F35s could who buy for the price of restarting the F22 line?
the article floats the idea of using the 40 billion the Japanese are looking to spend to restart and update the F22.
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Originally posted by bfng3569 View Posthow many more F35s could who buy for the price of restarting the F22 line?
the article floats the idea of using the 40 billion the Japanese are looking to spend to restart and update the F22.
The idea that we could get Congress to approve a foreign sale of that level of stealth. Israel couldn't get them to approve access to the F-15SE. Then pitch the idea for them to pony "Up to 40 Billion" to restart the line, update the design and get 100 planes out of it is a pipe dream.
Getting an updated 15SE ,F-15C2040or a updated 18E would be a way better deal for the Japanese. If it has to be twin engine. Especially the 15 with joint or licensed production
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostHow many more F-35s could the Japanese buy.
The idea that we could get Congress to approve a foreign sale of that level of stealth. Israel couldn't get them to approve access to the F-15SE. Then pitch the idea for them to pony "Up to 40 Billion" to restart the line, update the design and get 100 planes out of it is a pipe dream.
Getting an updated 15SE ,F-15C2040or a updated 18E would be a way better deal for the Japanese. If it has to be twin engine. Especially the 15 with joint or licensed production
Isn't the whole point of the F-3 program to protect Japanese technological base?Last edited by citanon; 14 Jul 16,, 05:44.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostWhy does Japan contend that it needs the F22?
Isn't the whole point of the F-3 program to protect Japanese technological base?
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostHow many more F-35s could the Japanese buy.
The idea that we could get Congress to approve a foreign sale of that level of stealth. Israel couldn't get them to approve access to the F-15SE. Then pitch the idea for them to pony "Up to 40 Billion" to restart the line, update the design and get 100 planes out of it is a pipe dream.
Getting an updated 15SE ,F-15C2040or a updated 18E would be a way better deal for the Japanese. If it has to be twin engine. Especially the 15 with joint or licensed production
as far as not getting access to the F-15Se and 'that level of stealth', Israel has already taken delivery of F-35's, and Japan will as well. are we trying to say that F-35 is a level below all that? of course not.
right or wrong (access wise) they are getting something above and beyond those capabilities with the F-35. and as the article points out, with the age of the F-22.... its not exactly anything 'new' at this point.
as far as getting them to 'pony up 40 billion'.... that's what they are doing anyway. its in the link.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostAt the time, Japan was looking for a future replacement for the F-15. The F-3 programm was started because the US didn't sell the F-22. But now that the prototype/tech demo "F-3" is flying, I doubt Japan would wand to re-finance the F-22, specially considering all the work this would involve.
In one of the biggest fighter jet contracts up for grabs in years, a ministry spokesman said Japan will contact foreign and domestic defense contractors soon after a July 5 deadline for expressions of interest in the tender for about 100 warplanes
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Originally posted by bfng3569 View Post
In one of the biggest fighter jet contracts up for grabs in years, a ministry spokesman said Japan will contact foreign and domestic defense contractors soon after a July 5 deadline for expressions of interest in the tender for about 100 warplanes
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Originally posted by gf0012-aust View PostI can think of a whole pile of engineering and practical reasons as to why its not realistic to do (restart F-22 line)
(not the same as a congressional direction waving pixie dust over someones good idea fairy and expecting it then to be turned into a "picard". ie "make it so"“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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http://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=476
Richard Aboulafia a very well known aviation consultant take on restarting the F-22 and other programs.
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Originally posted by Dazed View Posthttp://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=476
Richard Aboulafia a very well known aviation consultant take on restarting the F-22 and other programs.
What capability are you giving up by restarting the F-22 and pushing 6th gens further into the future? In my opinion the 6th gen F-22 successor is going to be built around the next offset strategy after stealth. Namely integrated DEW capability that can actively swat missiles from the sky. Such an ability would make it extremely capable at both air superiority, and as an escort protecting B-21s and F-35s from future more powerful ground based sensors and defenses that may begin to erode the effectiveness of stealth towards the later part of their lifetime.
Stuffing F-35 style sensors into an F-22 restart isn't going to be easy without major airframe changes to accommodate all the increased volume requirements that would entail, and building in a DEW isn't going to happen. I think a big reason we are seeing major investments into 3 stream variable cycle engine programs is that they are a prerequisite for incorporating the heat management necessary for airborne DEWs in fighters.
Fitting stealth, advanced sensor suite, 3 stream engines, and a powerful laser into a fighter sized platform is going to require a dedicated 6th gen design. I don't think it's worth postponing that kind of capability just to squeeze out a few more F-22s. We'll want it by the time our opponents have figured out how to field credible 5th gen fighters of their own.Last edited by SteveDaPirate; 14 Jul 16,, 17:40.
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