F-35 v F/A-18 Shornet-play ground style

[Officer of Engineers]

No, it was BOEING who lost, not the SUPERBUG. One of the tenets of the bid was economic impact on Canada. BOEING's BOMBARDIER fiasco was an economic negative impact. Replacing the SUPERBUG with the MUD HEN won't change that.

[jlvfr]

One of the YouTube channels that I subscribe to has a pretty good video on the recent developments.

Yeah, saw that too. I'd forgotten about the upgrades to keep their F-18s flying. And I see he shares my oppinion on the new F-15. I wonder if Canada will rererboot the competion just to get that one in the list?...

[TopHatter]

One of the YouTube channels that I subscribe to has a pretty good video on the recent developments.

[JA Boomer]

Didn't necessary see it coming down to F-35 vs Gripen. Not sure how much cost plays a role in to evaluation, if it all.

Trudeau did pledge not to buy the F-35, but I feel like that may not matter anymore for the following reasons:
1) It was a long time ago, things change.
2) He can argue that what he really meant was that the Convervatives shouldn't have bought the F-35 without an exhaustive competition.
3) The economics of staying an F-35 parter while not buying it may not make sense.
4) He's unlikely to seek reelection (not many PMs go for the 4th mandate).

Regardless, I hope the RCAF is making the decision, and the government will support whatever decision they make.

If there was a fixed budget and we could get x-number more Gripens than F-35, that MAY sway me. But I'm rooting for the F-35 as the best platform for our aviators to do their job for the next 40 years.

[jlvfr]

Only the F-35 and Gripen at this point.

Ah, right, thanks. If I remember correctly, there were some specifications on the communications systems required, to link up with NORAD? Can't be fun for non-US aircraft to compete with that in mind...

[JA Boomer]

So. what's left then? I've become lost... F-35, Typhoon, Rafale & Grippen, or is one of these out as well?...

Only the F-35 and Gripen at this point.

[jlvfr]

So. what's left then? I've become lost... F-35, Typhoon, Rafale & Grippen, or is one of these out as well?...

[Officer of Engineers]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boe...jets-1.6262851

Super Hornet is OUT.

Damned fishy here. Generally speaking, the larger the airframe, the better the procurement. The SUPERBUG has the room to fit more mid life upgrade gadgets than the GRIPEN. Given the HORNET is already in Canadian service, I cannot see one thing the GRIPEN can do the SUPERBUG cannot do and do better.

And that leaves politics which BOEING managed to piss off Trudeau for the BOMBARDIER fiasco. This doesn't bode well for the F-35. Trudeau made a promise not to get this bird.

[JA Boomer]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boe...jets-1.6262851

Super Hornet is OUT.

[surfgun]

Shornet-play Indian style.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...he-indian-navy

[jlvfr]

More about the latest SH proposal.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...itch-to-canada

"How many missiles you want?"
"All of them!!"

[surfgun]

More about the latest SH proposal.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...itch-to-canada

[jlvfr]

The plot thickens: no more Typhoons for Canada...

[JA Boomer]

Could Canada end up with F-35’s that where meant for the Turks?
https://news.usni.org/2019/07/23/loc...-turkeys-f-35s

Stranger things have happened but I doubt it. The current government will not purchase the F-35 prior to the October election. The incoming government will have to wait until the fighter procurement has announced a winner (not sure on that timetable) before buying anything. Plus I would think if (hopefully) the F-35 is selected they will want later blocks and not have 8 odd-ball early block aircraft in the fleet.

[surfgun]

Could Canada end up with F-35’s that where meant for the Turks?
https://news.usni.org/2019/07/23/loc...-turkeys-f-35s