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  • #91
    Whatever Happened to Iran's Super Stealth Fighter?

    Several years back, Iran rolled out its Qaher F-313 ‘stealth fighter’ in front of then President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Within hours it was met with near universal derision from defense and aerospace experts around the world.

    While almost everyone outside Iran saw the project for the farce that it was, Tehran insisted that the project was real and that it was already flying. Further, the Iranian government insisted that the bizarre-looking aircraft—which was allegedly superior to the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter—would become operational in the very near future. But since then the project has disappeared. So, whatever happened to Iran’s impressive plans for the Qaher F-313 stealth fighter?

    The answer is nothing—as with much of Iran’s bluster—the Qaher F-313 was a ham-handed hoax. Even at the time when Iran first showed off the Qaher, it was clear that the mockup was little more than a poorly executed propaganda stunt engineered for domestic consumption.

    From even a cursory examination of the many photos and video imagery of the aircraft with a purportedly ‘very small radar cross section,’ it was immediately apparent that this was not a serious development. At the very best, it is a subscale test-bed.

    Perhaps the most immediate give away was the miniscule size of the craft. There didn’t appear to be room for avionics and fuel—let alone weapons. Moreover, it’s doubtful that there was an engine installed given the lack of a nozzle and the two tiny air inlets.

    The other problem for Iran would have been to find an engine small enough to fit into such a miniscule airframe. Tehran’s options seem limited to something like the General Electric J85—which Iran has previously reverse engineered—but without a nozzle the heat would have likely set this mock-up ablaze.

    Additionally, the cockpit appeared to be too small in relation to the pilot. And the visibility through the material could only be described as horrendous.

    The cockpit instruments were amongst the only items in the Qaher F-313 that could be described as real. The Iranians were using instrumentation developed for the home-build aircraft market with hardware sourced from Dynon and Garmin.

    Furthermore, there were no access panels or weapons bays that were visible. Features such as access panels are found on every aircraft for routine maintenance. In the case of a stealth aircraft, internal weapons bays are necessary in order maintain the jet’s low observable signature while carrying armaments. But as one engineer familiar with low observables design astutely pointed out at the time, while superficially resembling what one might imagine a stealth aircraft to look like, the Iranian machine had serious radar cross section (RCS) problems.

    Stealth aircraft design is much more involved than simply mastering the low observable shapes. There are advanced materials sciences that need to be developed for the aircraft’s skin and coatings. Advanced analytical tools are needed to shape the internal bulkheads and other structures. Moreover, one has to master the man-machine interfaces so that a pilot can manage the aircraft’s RCS spikes in flight. There is no evidence—now or back in 2013—that suggests that Iran has mastered those technologies.

    So where is the Qaher F-313? It was spotted only once after its initial debut in November 2013 being prepped for taxi tests—but it has never been seen again. It’s likely the unimpressive mockup is sitting in the warehouse somewhere in Iran, or has been recycled for some other theatrical production.

    The real mystery is—as it was then—how Iran’s leaders might assume that they could present such a farce before the eyes of the world and not invite anything other than mockery.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
      Whatever Happened to Iran's Super Stealth Fighter?

      So where is the Qaher F-313? It was spotted only once after its initial debut in November 2013 being prepped for taxi tests—but it has never been seen again. It’s likely the unimpressive mockup is sitting in the warehouse somewhere in Iran, or has been recycled for some other theatrical production.

      The real mystery is—as it was then—how Iran’s leaders might assume that they could present such a farce before the eyes of the world and not invite anything other than mockery.
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      Why the answer is obvious- it's a %100 absolute success. No one has seen it, have they?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by citanon View Post
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          Does this mean it has the Bird of Prey cloaking device?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
            Why the answer is obvious- it's a %100 absolute success. No one has seen it, have they?
            It seems that the Iranians have misplaced their super stealthy wonder jet.

            Nobody can remember where they last parked it.

            Nobody can see it.

            Nobody can find it.



            That story line could be fodder for a Persian version of the Three Stooges.
            Anybody know Farsi?
            Last edited by JRT; 05 Aug 16,, 02:11.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by citanon View Post
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              Frankly, that pilot doesn't look very Iranian to me. (And yes, I do realize it is a joke)
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              • #97
                Perhaps the most immediate give away was the miniscule size of the craft. There didn’t appear to be room for avionics and fuel—let alone weapons. Moreover, it’s doubtful that there was an engine installed given the lack of a nozzle and the two tiny air inlets.

                The other problem for Iran would have been to find an engine small enough to fit into such a miniscule airframe. Tehran’s options seem limited to something like the General Electric J85—which Iran has previously reverse engineered—but without a nozzle the heat would have likely set this mock-up ablaze.

                Additionally, the cockpit appeared to be too small in relation to the pilot. And the visibility through the material could only be described as horrendous.

                The cockpit instruments were amongst the only items in the Qaher F-313 that could be described as real. The Iranians were using instrumentation developed for the home-build aircraft market with hardware sourced from Dynon and Garmin.

                Furthermore, there were no access panels or weapons bays that were visible. Features such as access panels are found on every aircraft for routine maintenance. In the case of a stealth aircraft, internal weapons bays are necessary in order maintain the jet’s low observable signature while carrying armaments. But as one engineer familiar with low observables design astutely pointed out at the time, while superficially resembling what one might imagine a stealth aircraft to look like, the Iranian machine had serious radar cross section (RCS) problems.

                Stealth aircraft design is much more involved than simply mastering the low observable shapes. There are advanced materials sciences that need to be developed for the aircraft’s skin and coatings. Advanced analytical tools are needed to shape the internal bulkheads and other structures. Moreover, one has to master the man-machine interfaces so that a pilot can manage the aircraft’s RCS spikes in flight. There is no evidence—now or back in 2013—that suggests that Iran has mastered those technologies.
                Can't decide what's more dumber:

                The Iranians thinking they could fool anybody with their stupid toy or this idiot actually trying to prove to us it was fake by trying to use his "knowledge".

                WE KNEW IT WAS FAKE THE FIRST MOMENT WE SAW IT, YOU IDIOT!

                WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED AN ARTICLE OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY YOU THINK IT WAS FAKE 3 YEARS LATER!
                Last edited by YellowFever; 05 Aug 16,, 09:06.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                  Can't decide what's more dumber:

                  The Iranians thinking they could fool anybody with their stupid toy or this idiot actually trying to prove to us it was fake by trying to use his "knowledge".

                  WE KNEW IT WAS FAKE THE FIRST MOMENT WE SAW IT, YOU IDIOT!

                  WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED AN ARTICLE OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY YOU THINK IT WAS FAKE 3 YEARS LATER!
                  Don't forget, most of that was for internal & area consumption; I highly doubt it was meant to impress/scare the west.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                    I highly doubt it was meant to impress/scare the west.
                    Even taking their claims at face value, it wouldn't scare the West because Iran could never build enough super Islamic stealth fighters to create a serious strategic obstacle. In under a decade, the West will have fielded almost 3000 stealth fighters! Not even the Chinese can match such prodigious production numbers.

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                    • Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                      The Iranians thinking they could fool anybody with their stupid toy or this idiot actually trying to prove to us it was fake by trying to use his "knowledge".

                      WE KNEW IT WAS FAKE THE FIRST MOMENT WE SAW IT, YOU IDIOT!

                      WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED AN ARTICLE OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY YOU THINK IT WAS FAKE 3 YEARS LATER!
                      Well I think it was a look-back summation of everything that was said about it (it was few years ago as you said), plus a "So where's Waldo" jab at the Iranian government.

                      I didn't really get the feeling the author was trying to show off his knowledge.
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