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  • Exercise Gagan shakti is on with the IAF

    http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...n-can-5140253/

    The ongoing training exercise Gagan Shakti of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has demonstrated that it can put out double the number of fighter aircraft in combat compared to the Pakistan Air Force, should the situation arise.

    In an exclusive conversation with The Indian Express, Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said that “full credit goes to our engineers that we have built up the serviceability of fighter aircraft to 80%, compared to a target of 75%, and a dispatch reliability of more than 95% during Gagan Shakti exercise”.

    Considering the vintage of its aircraft and problems with availability of spares, IAF has struggled to maintain high serviceability levels, i.e, have a greater number of its fighter aircraft available for operations. Dispatch reliability is the IAF’s ability to make airborne the number of serviceable aircraft, a figure which has been lower during peace time.

    Top IAF sources told The Indian Express that these numbers were significant as they demonstrated IAF’s capability to “overwhelm the Pakistan Air Force by bringing double their number of fighter aircraft in combat, and that too with significantly higher throw weight”.

    At 70% serviceability for its 371 fighter jets, Pakistan Air Force is estimated to be able to bring approximately 260 aircraft into combat but they have lesser stamina and capability than their IAF counterparts.
    That's the Paks, what about China

    As far as China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) is concerned, sources said the IAF had shown its ability to observe the PLAAF from dispersed locations, thereby reducing the probability of it being hit by Chinese missile strikes. Sources, however, conceded that PLAAF has an overwhelming superiority in the number of fighter aircraft and its ability to employ them is constrained only by the geography of Tibet.

    The IAF currently has 31 fighter squadrons against an authorisation of 42 squadrons. Sources conceded that this shortfall remains a criticality because these high serviceability and dispatch reliability levels have been achieved after eight months of sustained effort. It would be tough for IAF to replicate these numbers, if it is asked to go into combat on very short notice. Most analysts believe that the most likely future military conflict involving India would be a short war at very short notice. To kick off the IAF from peace locations and provide overwhelming superiority in such a scenario, it would need a much larger number of fighter squadrons.

    Exercise Gagan Shakti has also shown that the IAF can do long-range sorties where fighter aircraft taking off from bases in southern and western India can reach targets 3,000 km away, say inside Tibet. But sources added a note of caution about the reach of long range trans-theatre flying due to low availability of mid-air refuellers.

    Sources said that Exercise Gagan Shakti was not about learning tactical lessons but focused on checking logistics stamina to build up and sustain the high serviceability levels. This physically validates the operating time and effort taken to rotate the fighter aircraft after it has made one sortie, fired all its weapons and turn them out again after loading them fully.

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    • it can put out double the number of fighter aircraft
      The cinic in me wants to know how long it took to organize and stock up for the exercise...

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      • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
        The cinic in me wants to know how long it took to organize and stock up for the exercise...
        Sources conceded that this shortfall remains a criticality because these high serviceability and dispatch reliability levels have been achieved after eight months of sustained effort. It would be tough for IAF to replicate these numbers, if it is asked to go into combat on very short notice
        Does that answer the question

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        • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
          Does that answer the question
          Yeha, thanks. Didn't notice that... need a vacation badly... :(

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          • And India says goobye to the "son of T-50"...

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            • Stated reason is its not stealthy enough (!)

              Aerospace analysts who support the PAK-FA reject this argument. They point out that the US Air Force F-22 Raptor, was built with an extraordinary degree of stealth, but that proved to be counterproductive, since it resulted in high maintenance and life-cycle costs.

              Burned by that emphasis on stealth alone, US designers de-emphasised stealth while building their latest fifth-generation fighter, the F-35 Lightning II. Instead, they focused on building its combat edge through better sensors, highly networked avionics and superior long-range weapons.
              So now its F-35 ?

              Now, the FGFA’s burial sets the stage for the IAF to eventually acquire the F-35 Lightning II, which comes in air force as well as naval variants. Indian military aviation, once overwhelmingly dependent upon Russian fighters, helicopters and transport aircraft, has steadily increased its purchases from America. On Tuesday, appearing before a US Senate panel for his confirmation hearings, Admiral Philip Davidson — nominated as the top US military commander in the Indo-Pacific, said the US should aspire to “break down” India’s historical dependence upon Russia.
              I don't believe this...

              The IAF has been split down the middle on the FGFA. Broadly, flying branch officers of the “French school”– whose careers have centred on the Mirage and Jaguar fighters — have tended to oppose the FGFA. Meanwhile, officers from the “Russian school”, their careers grounded in the MiG and Sukhoi fleet, have supported the FGFA.
              So either French or Russian
              Last edited by Double Edge; 23 Apr 18,, 16:23.

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              • Anyone for resurrecting the HAL Marut? :D

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                • The story can still change or at least some more loose ends clarified

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                  • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                    And India says goobye to the "son of T-50"...
                    Strange

                    Reports say that doval announced this in front of the russian press in feb. It's april now and neither HAL, Sukhoi or Rosboronexport have released a press statement. It hasn't appeared in the lok sabha either.

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                    • Originally posted by anil View Post
                      Strange

                      Reports say that doval announced this in front of the russian press in feb. It's april now and neither HAL, Sukhoi or Rosboronexport have released a press statement. It hasn't appeared in the lok sabha either.
                      ... so, business as usuall?...

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        Aerospace analysts who support the PAK-FA reject this argument. They point out that the US Air Force F-22 Raptor, was built with an extraordinary degree of stealth, but that proved to be counterproductive, since it resulted in high maintenance and life-cycle costs.

                        Burned by that emphasis on stealth alone, US designers de-emphasised stealth while building their latest fifth-generation fighter, the F-35 Lightning II. Instead, they focused on building its combat edge through better sensors, highly networked avionics and superior long-range weapons.
                        This is misleading. Yes the maintenance and life-cycle costs are nuts for the F-22 (closer to bombers than fighters...). But the F-35 does not de-emphasize stealth.

                        It emphasizes affordable and maintainable stealth. The F-35 is not only stealthier than the F-22 to begin with, it can stay stealthy better in operational usage. It's stealth is largely "baked in" with less reliance on coatings and the coatings it uses are more durable and easy to apply. It is expressly designed to be easy to work on in the field rather than requiring a depot visit for common service needs and signature maintenance.

                        What the F-35 de-emphasizes is the Raptor's very high speed and altitude performance. By relaxing the requirements by about 20% compared to the F-22 it gains a ton of headroom in affordability and makes up the difference with superior situational awareness via top line sensors, networking, and computing power.


                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        So now its F-35 ?
                        In 10-20 years maybe...

                        I don't see the US selling the crown jewels to any country that isn't closely aligned with US foreign policy goals in the meantime. The order books for F-35s are already stacked for the next decade+ so the US isn't worried about the production line, and India didn't pick up a share of any of the developmental risk in the early days of the program. So no way does she get into line ahead of those that did.

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                        PAK-FA is Russia's version of the Silent Eagle. Would it be an improvement on the standard Su-35 or F-15? Sure, but not enough better to justify the costs involved and not an equal to a 5th gen designed as such from the ground up.
                        Last edited by SteveDaPirate; 23 Apr 18,, 20:40.

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                        • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                          ... so, business as usuall?...
                          The two persons(ajai shukla and rahul bedi) who wrote this haven't mentioned the source

                          Ajai shuklas words: on business standard cites no source
                          Business Standard has learnt that National Security Advisor Ajit Doval conveyed the decision to a Russian ministerial delegation at a “Defence Acquisition Meeting” in end-February.
                          Rahul bedi: on Janes cites official sources (?)
                          Senior Indian officials, including National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Defence Secretary Sanjay Mitra, recently informed a visiting Russian ministerial delegation that India was withdrawing from the programme, official sources told Jane’s on 20 April.
                          I'd wait till someone from the govt released a statement. The FGFA was indias only sanctioned 5th generation fighter jet program.

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                          Same shukla made this claim in feb - click
                          Last edited by anil; 23 Apr 18,, 21:01.

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                          • If the F22 & F35 had a kid what would it be like ?

                            Lockheed Martin to propose stealthy hybrid of F-22 and F-35 for Japan | Reuters | Apr 20 2018

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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              If the F22 & F35 had a kid what would it be like ?
                              An F-22 with the F-35's EOTS, DAS, MADL, HMDS helmet, 20x8 cockpit display, AN/APG-81 radar, meteor missile, stealth coatings, and ALIS logistics system.
                              Last edited by JA Boomer; 25 Apr 18,, 19:28.

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                If the F22 & F35 had a kid what would it be like?
                                Vaporware...

                                Alright, I'll play along. It would likely be a larger, twin engine land based F-35 with more internal volume for fuel and weapons that's designed for mach 2.5 speeds at altitude.

                                The F-22 is already 50% heavier than an F-35 despite having the same fuel capacity, smaller weapons bays, and fewer electronics. So we can pretty well establish it will have to be larger than an F-22.

                                Imagine a modern take on the F-111. Stealthy, high speed, long range, powerful radar, cutting edge sensors, advanced electronics, large internal weapons capacity, and stupidly expensive!

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