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  • ajaybhutani
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    Originally posted by Boba
    Does we have any info about new radar for PAK FA ( T 50 )
    people say its gonna be an AESA. As AESA is under development in Russia. But nothin can be said about the specs as its all secretive

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  • Boba
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    Does we have any info about new radar for PAK FA ( T 50 )

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  • ajaybhutani
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    Originally posted by Dima
    i already gave a link

    what does it have to do with me, why do you expect me to know, i never watched it fly, well, i've seen the videos, ask the people who wrote the article, jesus christ

    "So what all logic u are giving me apply it to urself"

    ? for the last dang time

    MiG 1.42=project name
    MiG 1.44=prototype
    MiG-3...=official designation of project, when it goes into production
    which clearly implies that when we talk about the projects theyare the same ..

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  • Dima
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    i already gave a link

    what does it have to do with me, why do you expect me to know, i never watched it fly, well, i've seen the videos, ask the people who wrote the article, jesus christ

    "So what all logic u are giving me apply it to urself"

    ? for the last dang time

    MiG 1.42=project name
    MiG 1.44=prototype
    MiG-3...=official designation of project, when it goes into production

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  • ajaybhutani
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    Originally posted by Dima
    ajay, what in good god's name are you talking about, i just gave a link stating that the MiG 1.44 has better supersonic maneuverability than the Su-47, but the Su-47 has much better subsonic maneuverability, i don't understand what you're basing our post on?

    they are not two different projects, it's all one project, and i have already given tons of links for that, you just fail to actually look at them and read them or something, i don't know what you do with them, with the MiG 1.42 being the project name, and the MiG 1.44 being the project prototype, but of course, when the project is complete, they would redesignate it to MiG-.....
    Well
    1. For how many hours has Mig1.44 flown that u are talking about its manoureability??
    2. About Mig 1.44 and 1.42 its u who has been distinguiishing both planes has different all throughout and not me. So what all logic u are giving me apply it to urself

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  • Dima
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    ajay, what in good god's name are you talking about, i just gave a link stating that the MiG 1.44 has better supersonic maneuverability than the Su-47, but the Su-47 has much better subsonic maneuverability, i don't understand what you're basing our post on?

    they are not two different projects, it's all one project, and i have already given tons of links for that, you just fail to actually look at them and read them or something, i don't know what you do with them, with the MiG 1.42 being the project name, and the MiG 1.44 being the project prototype, but of course, when the project is complete, they would redesignate it to MiG-.....

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  • ajaybhutani
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    dima,
    well sicne u dont have any more knowledge than whats available here to us. Why do u tend to say stuff like " 1.44 is more manouverable." Well we all know its not true. If u want to speculate then its shud be " i think
    " or i speculate" or i believe" and not "he MiG 1.44 had better supersonic maneuverability, "
    Such statements lead to nowhere since u are without a reference while others have every reason and reference to challenge you.
    Well u know that they are same projects. so better keep them as same and be with it.

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  • Dima
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    yes i know that the AL-41 is only about 30% complete

    yes, they, well, it's difficult, they haven't created the MiG 1.42, that's the project name, while the MiG 1.44 is the actual, and onnly prototype, that's the relation

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/combair007.htm

    it's somewhere in there hhgsea, i guess they deduced that from it's characteristics, and limited knowledge of its flight performance

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  • highsea
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    Originally posted by Dima
    ...but he MiG 1.44 had better supersonic maneuverability...
    What do you base this on? All the information I have seen said that the AC only flew twice, and only for about 15 minutes total. They never would have taken it to supersonic flight that early in the flight test cycle.

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  • ajaybhutani
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    Originally posted by Dima
    yes, it was relatively complete, the flight tests were not taken with its real engines

    but he MiG 1.44 had better supersonic maneuverability, i also heard that the MiG would cost about $60 million if it did go into production, also, the difference between the S-37 and Su-47
    1. Development of AL41F is not complete yet.
    2. Well how many flight hours were logged?? Another thing the hours logged would directly => tht whole mig MFI project has logged thatmuch hours as that prototype is its part. Here we are not talking about Different prototypes but different projects. So Mig1.44 and 1.42 arethe same

    the Su-47 is an actual model, and the S-37 is the test model, the S-37 used AL-31 engines i believe instead of the AL-41 engines it was to have, much of its fuselage was made from Flankers, and its avionics were from Flankers, they ahven't created a Su-47, if they do receive orders(which is most likely not) then they will fit it with another avionics package, i don't know which one, maybe different engines

    who knows?
    Well S-37 and SU47 are the same project ( two names of same aircraft. )Aircrafts are tested with different engines when original ones arent complete but that dsnt imply a creation of a new fighter project.

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  • Dima
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    yes, it was relatively complete, the flight tests were not taken with its real engines

    but he MiG 1.44 had better supersonic maneuverability, i also heard that the MiG would cost about $60 million if it did go into production, also, the difference between the S-37 and Su-47

    the Su-47 is an actual model, and the S-37 is the test model, the S-37 used AL-31 engines i believe instead of the AL-41 engines it was to have, much of its fuselage was made from Flankers, and its avionics were from Flankers, they ahven't created a Su-47, if they do receive orders(which is most likely not) then they will fit it with another avionics package, i don't know which one, maybe different engines

    who knows?

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  • ajaybhutani
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    Originally posted by Dima
    ajay, when did i say that they were different aircraft, they're basically the same, but there would be some differences between them, they're not different aircratf though, the project/program is called the MiG 1.42 program
    here u are talking about mig 1.42 and 1.44 as saperate projects arent u .. In fact u ahve even called Su47 as complete too.
    Garry, also, the MiG 1.42 project is not complete, but hte MiG 1.44 IS complete, and MiG is financing more research into the MiG 1.42, the Su-47 project is also complete

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  • Dima
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    ajay, when did i say that they were different aircraft, they're basically the same, but there would be some differences between them, they're not different aircratf though, the project/program is called the MiG 1.42 program

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  • MIKEMUN
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    A few things that the article missed..The Amount of Capital to be invested will be about 16 Billion Dollars....The "Supercompany" is expected to produce civilian and Military Aircraft in equal amounts..Currently the ratio is 70-30 in favour of military aircraft...It is expected to be in the top 5 Aeronautic companies in the world..

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  • highsea
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    Originally posted by MIKEMUN
    ...У России будет мощный "авиационный кулак"...
    The President of Russia Vladimir Putin directed government to prepare
    edict with the plan of actions on the performance of strategy on the
    creation of the united aircraft construction corporation, ITAR- TASS reports.
    "government must prepare the project of edict with the plan of actions
    on the performance of strategy on the creation of aircraft
    construction company. This must be common plan, on which we must work ", - stated the President at the visiting session of the presidium of the
    Gossoviet for the problems of the development of aviation branch.
    "from that, as we will be able to solve this question, face of Russia will depend and it will be able to be the intellectual
    country, or we increasingly more will be rolled up into the discharge of the
    insignificant countries, - noted the President. - such branches (as aviapro&#y08ya need the support of state ".
    According to Putin, "the contemporary methods of the support of this branch by state exist
    and are used by a state". "up to 2008 our ferrymen confirmed order for the acquisition of 138
    aircraft of domestic manufacture, - continued the President. - unconditionally, state role in this branch must be significant and, if we are completely realized plan, which they discussed today on the creation of holding, that let us be be able to achieved the desired result. Not whom does not have doubt about that, that this is correct selection ".
    As it explained to journalists chapter Victor Khristenko's
    Minpromenergo, the creation of the united aircraft construction corporation
    "consolidates all active memberships of aircraft construction". "this it means, that "Irkut", "MiG", "dry", "Ilyushin" and many other leading firms will find place in the
    corporation ", - he said.
    At the same time, minister recognized, which will engage the process of the formation of corporation of up to
    two years. "but is today made fundamental decision also about the parallel
    consolidation of business. Thus will occur the consolidation of efforts on the selection of a
    product number, expenditures and t.p., removing the harmful elements of competition ", - said Khristenko.
    Question about that, who will head united aircraft construction corporation is not thus far
    solved, minister said. "legally corporation will be created on 31 December, 2006, therefore who will head, it is not thus far solved ". At the same time he reported, that consortium created today for the consolidation of business, to head Valerie Bezverkhniy, the Vice President OF NPO "Irkut".
    Khristenko also reported, the portion of state in the aircraft construction corporation will
    compose what during the first stage 60-70%, but subsequently it can change at the discretion of shareholders.
    Online translation. I'm too lazy to reformat. ;)

    http://www.worldlingo.com/en/product...ranslator.html

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