What is up with the F-35? Part II

[Josh]

Actually since I posted that, others have indicated on another forum that rolling stops are used for short field strips, just not on ships. Apparently it is practiced for emergencies where the nozzles won't swivel fully and is difficult because the nose gear is actually longer than the main gear, so they say. But I haven't found a verifiable source to confirm that.

[kato]

As far as I know the Harrier can't do a rolling stop, or at least I've never heard of it being a normal practice for any operator.

There were a couple trials around ten years ago both with the RN and USMC, also including such landings on Charles de Gaulle. However these apparently used prototypes with modified thrust systems, and while the RN did fit HMS Illustrious with landing aids for such, these were only for the trials.

[Josh]

As far as I know the Harrier can't do a rolling stop, or at least I've never heard of it being a normal practice for any operator. The only advantage of this technique is bring back weight, and in the case of F-35B I'd have thought you could dump fuel into the reheat if you really needed to lighten your load. But if you have the space to do it and the flight control system allows for it without a significantly greater degree of danger, then it makes sense. The F-35B is apparently vastly easier to handle than a harrier.

[JCT]

... not even with the smaller Harriers?... Pity.

Nope, vertical landings only for USMC Harriers.

[jlvfr]

Not aboard the LHD’s and LHA’s. The deck space is too tight.
They may also train to do the short rolling landings when embedded aboard the Royal Navy flat tops.

... not even with the smaller Harriers?... Pity.

[surfgun]

The RN has started tests on rolling landings:

video article

Anyone knows if the USMC is trying this as well?

Not aboard the LHD’s and LHA’s. The deck space is too tight.
They may also train to do the short rolling landings when embedded aboard the Royal Navy flat tops.

[jlvfr]

The RN has started tests on rolling landings:

video article

Anyone knows if the USMC is trying this as well?

[Gun Grape]

35B flies off the QE for the first time

[Garry]

That's why I think keeping Turkey on team NATO is more important than the question of whether or not to sell them the F-35. Russia doesn't have the industry to replicate the F-35 even if Lockheed sold them the blueprints and in 30 years, the F-35 will be upgraded so much that it's practically a different aircraft than what's flying today (see F-16 block evolution), but Turkey will still be an important ally due to it's control of the Bosporus, position relative to Russia, and influence in the Middle East.

The F-35 was also designed for export from the outset, so the amount of information to be gleaned from examination by Russians visiting Istanbul is going to be limited. Additionally the most sensitive aspect of the F-35 (the software code) isn't accessible outside the United States even by our closest allies.

absolutely agree to your arguments

let's see how things go

[Gun Grape]

And we crashed one. The first ejection and total loss of the program.

This is why Marines can't have shiny new things. Nothing is Marine proof

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...south-carolina

UPDATE 10:47am PDT: The aircraft belonged to the resident F-35B training squadron VMFAT-501 and the pilot did safely eject and is being treated for any injuries. The crash happened around five miles from the airfield.

This is the first total loss crash event—and possibly the first ejection—involving an F-35 in the program's history, which includes nearly 12 years of flying (18 years if you count the JSF X-plane fly-off).

[bfng3569]

Marine F-35Bs Fly First-Ever Strike Missions Against 'Fixed Targets' in Afghanistan (Updated)

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...in-afghanistan

a snipit from the article:

Update: 3:20pm EST—

U.S. Naval Forces Central Command has released an additional statement about the mission via U.S. Central Command, describing the strikes as "in support of ground clearance operations." It does not offer any additional detail about the target or targets the F-35Bs engaged in Afghanistan.

However, a U.S. Central Command public affairs officer told The War Zone in a phone call that the Marine jets flew "close air support" missions in support of personnel on the ground. American combat jets do strike fixed targets, such as emplaced heavy weapons or enemy forces situated inside a building, as part of close air support missions. In past, U.S. military officials have also used the separate and distinct terms "interdiction" and "close air support" interchangeably, despite the former referring to strikes against targets far removed from any immediate fighting on the ground.

It's also worth noting that official video of the F-35Bs taking off for the strikes shows that they were carrying 25mm gun pods, as well. We don't know if they conducted any strafing runs against Taliban targets.

[SteveDaPirate]

hi Josh and Steve, Turkey against Russia was a pain on South Western flank for Russia. If it is neutral it already eases a lot. This is why NATO needed their air bases and control of the straits.

off topic. Pictures of f22 on Optical devices of su35. They fly at visual range in small syrian sky

That's why I think keeping Turkey on team NATO is more important than the question of whether or not to sell them the F-35. Russia doesn't have the industry to replicate the F-35 even if Lockheed sold them the blueprints and in 30 years, the F-35 will be upgraded so much that it's practically a different aircraft than what's flying today (see F-16 block evolution), but Turkey will still be an important ally due to it's control of the Bosporus, position relative to Russia, and influence in the Middle East.

The F-35 was also designed for export from the outset, so the amount of information to be gleaned from examination by Russians visiting Istanbul is going to be limited. Additionally the most sensitive aspect of the F-35 (the software code) isn't accessible outside the United States even by our closest allies.

[gunnut]

But why? It's a total failure and will never amount to anything....

Oh wait, I forgot, I'm not a paid Russian troll. Never mind! :-)

You don't have to be paid...

[Garry]

hi Josh and Steve, Turkey against Russia was a pain on South Western flank for Russia. If it is neutral it already eases a lot. This is why NATO needed their air bases and control of the straits.

off topic. Pictures of f22 on Optical devices of su35. They fly at visual range in small syrian sky

[Gun Grape]

Green Knights gives a flight demonstration at 2018 Iwakuni Friendship Day.

Notice the RAM tape has got a new color