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  • Originally posted by Dazed View Post
    I suspect that flight maneuver will soon be in the software if it is not already there.
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    • Originally posted by JRT View Post
      I suspect that flight maneuver will soon be in the software if it is not already there.
      It's a basic flight maneuver like a rolling take off. The advantage is the wing is developing lift your not dependent on just raw thrust. I don't think you have to change the control laws to do it.

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      • So long to you Turkey.
        https://news.usni.org/2019/07/17/tur...l-supply-chain

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        • it is hard to overestimate how stupid US collective decision making could be ))))
          1) S400 was never a reasonable problem for f35 ownership by Turkey.... if so then no country which is close to Russian borders shall be allowed to own it )))
          2) it was Israeli lobby who opposed that Turkey obtains Patriot initially and hoped to block S400 using F35 and US pressure as a tool
          3) US diplomatic skills degraded to such an extent that this issue was discussed by public media instead of direct tet-a-tet negotiations....
          4) with naked and public pressure US put this situation to a complete mess, when dropping S400 was insult of Turks as a nation...
          5) now some people prefer to insist on being stupid instead of accepting that better to cool off and see a bigger and longer picture...

          result, Israel has got Turkey with S400 anyway. F35 has lost sizable client + has to retool production, US defense industry lost even more reputation (Indians will think twice now about US offers), NATO may loose access to vital air/navy bases + loyalty of largest of its armies...

          And Russia smiles - few billion dollars, and less concerns over NATO southern flank.... maybe even more billion dollars for its Flankers )))

          And imagine, just some time back Russia and Turkey relationships were terrible (the lightest term for it) after Turkey shot down Russian bomber in Syria..... incredible ability to turn losses into victories....

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          • Pentagon delays F-35 full-rate production decision by 13 months

            I'm confused... so what are all the F-35s allready flying around, including outsite of the US? Prototypes? Preseries?!

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            • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
              Pentagon delays F-35 full-rate production decision by 13 months

              I'm confused... so what are all the F-35s allready flying around, including outsite of the US? Prototypes? Preseries?!
              LRIP, or something similar I would say
              TwentyFiveFortyFive

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                LRIP, or something similar I would say
                What a mess, as if the programm isn't messed up enough...

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                • The Japanese have ordered some B’s.
                  https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...efense-budget/

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                  • Another new customer.
                    https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-w...136072.article

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                    • Japan’s additional Lightnings have been approved.
                      https://news.usni.org/2020/07/10/sta...5-fighter-deal

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                      • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                        Japan’s additional Lightnings have been approved.
                        https://news.usni.org/2020/07/10/sta...5-fighter-deal
                        Well...as costly as this program has been, it's difficult to continue painting it as an abject failure when orders like that are being placed.

                        The LCS program on the other hand...
                        TwentyFiveFortyFive

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                        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                          Well...as costly as this program has been, it's difficult to continue painting it as an abject failure when orders like that are being placed.
                          The program has been very expensive as with more than it's fair share of foul ups, but it's not an "abjet failure". Otoh, in the case of the -B model, if you want VTOL and have the cash, there is no other choice, so...

                          Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                          The LCS program on the other hand...
                          And, to some, extent, the Zumwalt...

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                          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                            Well...as costly as this program has been, it's difficult to continue painting it as an abject failure when orders like that are being placed.

                            The LCS program on the other hand...
                            The F-35 is going to turn out like the M1, M2, V-22 and so many others...leaps of imagination weapon systems with incredibly difficult technology to master which eventually pan out into incredible weapons platforms. As I have said in several posts in this thread the F-35s biggest issue appears to be software integration....a process which is ruinously difficult to do well in the short term.


                            The LCS is a shitty idea poorly executed.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                            Mark Twain

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                            • F-35s, U-2s, and Army missiles including the PAC-3 interceptor and HIMARS.


                              https://www.defenseone.com/technolog...ssiles/167411/

                              Key paragraph:
                              The demonstration extends the range of the F-35 as a flying sensor, improves the effectiveness of the IBCS, and makes the decades-old U-2 more relevant to modern warfare. The U.S. military is at the beginning of a multi-year effort to interlink all its jets, drones, missiles, ships, and troops across air, land, sea, and space and across services, a vision referred to as Joint-Domain Command and Control.
                              Last edited by looking4NSFS; 04 Aug 20,, 13:58.

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                              • The SoKo’s are getting in on the ‘B’ game.
                                https://news.usni.org/2020/08/11/sou...ier#more-79142

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