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  • #91
    Originally posted by Stitch View Post
    one missle probably wouldn't do enough damage to put a carrier out of action, let alone sink it
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but who needs to sink a vessel that's unusable without its catapults? One good blow at the bow and it's out. This view is pretty common between russian warheads that still believe in "NATO's agressive intentions".
    Besides, all russian missiles operate in salvos since Moskit was developed, so it's not 2 or 5 Yakhont or Granits for AEGIS is to deal with, it's 24 or more of them. For single carrier this should be enough.
    All this doesn't mean that any Oscar submarine can easily sink a carrier. It just can manage to hurt it badly if lucky. The crew training is crucial anyway. Untrained crew barely can blow themselves up.
    We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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    • #92
      It depends on which part of the ship the AShM hits. If its something that messes with the catapult's steam supply, the CVN is pretty much out of luck. A single general hit on the side of the carrier shouldn't be too bad, considering how large a Nimitz class is.

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      • #93
        Andrey, I don't think it's quite that simple. Nimitz-and the future Ford-class have three cats. From what I've read, each of the Nimitz's catapults are a semi-self-contained system which draws steam from the main powerplant. A good hit might be able to disable one or two cats and slow operations down; but it'd take multiple very lucky hits to down the cats. It isn't like "Top Gun." (remember the Hollywood justification at the climax of the film?) The Fords' EMALs will probably be even harder to take down.

        As for saturation attacks, as gunnut said, the USN carrier isn't going to be operating in a vacuum. It'll have a blanket of CAPs, ASW patrols, SSNs, DDGs/FFGs, surrounding it, plus onion layers of onbaord defenive armament ranging from ESSMs, to RAMs, to .50 cals on the rails.
        USNA 2014?

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        • #94
          All US super carriers have Four catapults.

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          • #95
            Am i the only one who still remembers about nuclear warheads on Granits?
            Last edited by NUS; 09 Oct 10,, 04:45.
            Winter is coming.

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            • #96
              Has Russia ever admitted to that? Not that their denials really mean anything in this case.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by NUS View Post
                Am i the only one who still remembers about nuclear warheads on Granits?
                No, but I also remember the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction.
                "There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher

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                • #98
                  It is clearly marked in the performance charts of the F-15A/B/C/D -1.

                  Originally posted by Aussiegunner View Post
                  I have read otherwise in an article by a EE Lightning pilot who flew F-15's on exchange, but I am happy to be corrected if a relevant source is provided.

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                  • #99
                    Some people here seem to think only of "sinking the carrier". But you don't have to sink it, do you? Simply remove it from combat. A hit on the flight deck, or the island, or an elevator, in short, any hit tthat prevents the carrier from operating planes, and that's it. No more carrier. Also, how much speed does the carrier need to launch fighters with a usefull weapons load? 30knots? Loose the rudder or a propeller...

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                    • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                      Some people here seem to think only of "sinking the carrier". But you don't have to sink it, do you? Simply remove it from combat. A hit on the flight deck, or the island, or an elevator, in short, any hit tthat prevents the carrier from operating planes, and that's it. No more carrier. Also, how much speed does the carrier need to launch fighters with a usefull weapons load? 30knots? Loose the rudder or a propeller...
                      Exactly my point!
                      We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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                      • Disagree, you can launch planes from 20 knots of wind over the deck. Pending, mother nature herself could supply more then half if not enough wind lift to launch planes without driving the carrier into the wind. Just face the wind if need be.

                        Hitting the island would damage the bridges, but the Air Boss and all related equipment have counterparts and can still launch. You have a Boss at deck level as well that arranges the catapult load and execution. One elevator damaged wouldnt do much when you still have three others. On the Nimitz class they are located at the deck edges 3 on the starboard side and one aft on the port side. And there are four cats on the carriers. All redundant.

                        Anyone that has never been aboard one would be amazed at their design and redundancies. This is why the USN builds the best. Many decades of practice and leaning.
                        Last edited by Dreadnought; 09 Oct 10,, 17:27.
                        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                        • 4 catapults
                          4 elevators
                          4 propellers
                          2 rudders
                          1 Island

                          The carrier can operate without one of each, while operating with it's task force. Plus good damage control could patch up a random hole in the flight deck.

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                          • Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                            Disagree, you can launch planes from 20 knots of wind over the deck. Pending, mother nature herself could supply more then half if not enough wind lift to launch planes without driving the carrier into the wind. Just face the wind if need be.

                            Hitting the island would damage the bridges, but the Air Boss and all related equipment have counterparts and can still launch. You have a Boss at deck level as well that arranges the catapult load and execution. One elevator damaged wouldnt do much when you still have three others. On the Nimitz class they are located at the deck edges 3 on the starboard side and one aft on the port side. And there are four cats on the carriers. All redundant.

                            Anyone that has never been aboard one would be amazed at their design and redundancies. This is why the USN builds the best. Many decades of practice and leaning.
                            Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                            4 catapults
                            4 elevators
                            4 propellers
                            2 rudders
                            1 Island

                            The carrier can operate without one of each, while operating with it's task force. Plus good damage control could patch up a random hole in the flight deck.
                            Does this mean single Oscar can't put a carrier out of operation?
                            We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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                            • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                              Some people here seem to think only of "sinking the carrier". But you don't have to sink it, do you? Simply remove it from combat. A hit on the flight deck, or the island, or an elevator, in short, any hit tthat prevents the carrier from operating planes, and that's it. No more carrier. Also, how much speed does the carrier need to launch fighters with a usefull weapons load? 30knots? Loose the rudder or a propeller...
                              not that simple, you can ask those kamikaze pilots

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                              • IMO, Anyhting is possible but the CVN is not without her own monitioring systems for subs. Plus Oscar would have to approach and get by her sub escorts which would make it not only diffacult but could also easily give the CVN a heads up once a torp launch is detected. The CVN can manuver or speed up very quickly You can pretty much bet once launched, Oscar probably has several torps coming at her in reprisal.
                                Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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