F/A-18 Super Hornet

[Stitch]

If you don't like what were talking about then please go find another thread that best fits your interest.

That was an extraordinarily bad move (AND in poor taste); I suggest you start packing . . . . .

[Zinja]

If you don't like what were talking about then please go find another thread that best fits your interest.

Steven, the man you are talking to is a retired col, and a MOD. As he has pointed out to you the circumstances obtaining, be sensitive.

[zraver]

If you don't like what were talking about then please go find another thread that best fits your interest.

Dude, that was the colonel.... You are an idiot. Go back to popping pimples in mommy's bathroom mirror.

[Steven Jaime]

All right, son, ease off the dick measuring contest. We're not interested. The Sukhois are good birds and if performed to Soviet doctrine, could be one hell of a problem. I suggest you read up on what the Soviets intended to do. It ain't simple as one on one and it certainly ain't as simple as shooting them down.

I'm not in the mood to engage in fanboy discussion. That's not what WAB is about. We lost a good friend this week and I strongly suggest you ease off and UNDERSTAND what others are trying to tell you instead of trying to prove them wrong.

If you don't like what were talking about then please go find another thread that best fits your interest.

[zraver]

Why? it's there in the reply that's what the engines do with the 20% increase in thrust!

No it wasn't. You don't understand power, Thrust to weight or a host of other factors.

All right, son, ease off the dick measuring contest. We're not interested. The Sukhois are good birds and if performed to Soviet doctrine, could be one hell of a problem. I suggest you read up on what the Soviets intended to do. It ain't simple as one on one and it certainly ain't as simple as shooting them down.

I'm not in the mood to engage in fanboy discussion. That's not what WAB is about. We lost a good friend this week and I strongly suggest you ease off and UNDERSTAND what others are trying to tell you instead of trying to prove them wrong.

[Steven Jaime]

I mean you don't want to get in a fair fight with those if you're driving your superbug. They'll shoot down a bunch of your bugs for every one of them you shoot down

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Super Hornet With JHMCS, AIM-9x, APG-79, good pilot, AIM-120 and super hornet maneuverability, Sukhois will get eaten for breakfeast. Super Hornets can have the advantage to kill Sukhois. Do you know anything about the super hornet? Sukhois will never do those fansy shmansy cobra moves. Leave it up to the good pilot and the super hornet. Saying that doesn't prove the bugs will get destroyed. Super and Sukhoi are far a good match to be engaging in WVR. Sukhoi only has its large weapon load while the Super Bug has same dogfighting capabilites/requirements as the Sukhoi. Even in BVR the bug will get lock on first. The fight between the Sukhoi and the Super Hornet are far fair components.

[GGTharos]

I never said it will get faster and higher. I said it will be able to shoot down faster or higher flying targets.

Then that makes absolutely no sense. That capability is strictly a function of your missile capability and your launch mach and altitude. That means going faster and higher to increase missile performance, not that the AIM-120D will be hurting for it ... it's just that an eagle or raptor will do it better.

As for intercepting, no Super Hornet can't excel in that role, and what do you mean won't compete with those platforms?

I mean you don't want to get in a fair fight with those if you're driving your superbug. They'll shoot down a bunch of your bugs for every one of them you shoot down.

[Steven Jaime]

No, it really won't. You can shove two of those inside a single F-15C engine (that would be some version of the F100-PW-220, BTW, possibly the E or the U), and a single Eagle engine generates about 25000lbf thrust.

You might figure 'hey, that EPE will generate 26000lbf, it'll go faster and higher!'.

Sadly, things just don't work this way. At altitude there is a significant pressure loss that causes scary loss of thrust in jet engines. This can be overcome with a good intake, at least to some degree. The Eagle has such an inlet - it's probably the biggest inlet on anything that isn't a MiG-25 or 31. It's bigger than the tomcat's even, IIRC. The hornet has a fixed intake, which is generally far less efficient for higher altitude operations ie. pressure recovery is much lower, and thus there is a higher drop-off in thrust.

Finally, the hornet's aerodynamics just aren't built for speed - it's made to carry a lot of stuff long distances, and it's only half-good at that, too. Having a more powerful engine means having an engine that also consumes more fuel, so if you use the extra power you lose range.

The hornet will still get crushed by a real interceptor in that sort of fight, as long as the interceptor is a Golden Eagle, Su-35, or something along those lines. It's not made to compete with those platforms ( ... but there's where tactics can come in).

I never said it will get faster and higher. I said it will be able to shoot down faster or higher flying targets.

As for intercepting, no Super Hornet can't excel in that role, and what do you mean won't compete with those platforms?

[GGTharos]

No, it really won't. You can shove two of those inside a single F-15C engine (that would be some version of the F100-PW-220, BTW, possibly the E or the U), and a single Eagle engine generates about 25000lbf thrust.

You might figure 'hey, that EPE will generate 26000lbf, it'll go faster and higher!'.

Sadly, things just don't work this way. At altitude there is a significant pressure loss that causes scary loss of thrust in jet engines. This can be overcome with a good intake, at least to some degree. The Eagle has such an inlet - it's probably the biggest inlet on anything that isn't a MiG-25 or 31. It's bigger than the tomcat's even, IIRC. The hornet has a fixed intake, which is generally far less efficient for higher altitude operations ie. pressure recovery is much lower, and thus there is a higher drop-off in thrust.

Finally, the hornet's aerodynamics just aren't built for speed - it's made to carry a lot of stuff long distances, and it's only half-good at that, too. Having a more powerful engine means having an engine that also consumes more fuel, so if you use the extra power you lose range.

The hornet will still get crushed by a real interceptor in that sort of fight, as long as the interceptor is a Golden Eagle, Su-35, or something along those lines. It's not made to compete with those platforms ( ... but there's where tactics can come in).

Increase power, increase Air to air performance against faster, high flying enemy planes. Accelerate better and allow better intercept.

[Steven Jaime]

why?

Why? it's there in the reply that's what the engines do with the 20% increase in thrust!

[Steven Jaime]

What for?

Super Hornet, it's called the Enhanced Performance Engine gives the Super Bug a 1:1 T/W Ratio.

[zraver]

Increase power, increase Air to air performance against faster, high flying enemy planes. Accelerate better and allow better intercept. This is a upgrade we really need.

why?

[Doktor]

Increase power, increase Air to air performance against faster, high flying enemy planes. Accelerate better and allow better intercept. This is a upgrade we really need.

What for?

[Steven Jaime]

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

And 20 percent more thrust will do what trick?

Increase power, increase Air to air performance against faster, high flying enemy planes. Accelerate better and allow better intercept.