F/A-18 Super Hornet

[Stitch]

How do you introduce yourself?

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab...w-members.html

After that, you could probably get Chogy (ex-Eagle driver) to tell you all about the awesome AOA capabilities of the Hornet (which even he respected).

[Steven Jaime]

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab...w-members.html

After that, you could probably get Chogy (ex-Eagle driver) to tell you all about the awesome AOA capabilities of the Hornet (which even he respected).

Ok thanks

[surfgun]

Looks like Brazil (Brasil) may buy the Super Bug.
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....5638.xmlBrazil is closer to choosing Boeing Co.’s (BA.N) F-18 for one of the developing world’s most sought-after defense contracts after U.S. Vice President Joe Biden addressed the government’s main misgivings during a visit to Brasilia, officials told Reuters.

Biden met with President Dilma Rousseff on Friday and assured her that the U.S. Congress was likely to respect Boeing’s agreement to transfer sensitive technology to Brazil as part of the deal, three officials who were present said on condition of anonymity.

The deal will involve 36 jets worth about $4 billion, with probable follow-up orders that would greatly increase the value of the contract over time. That makes it a critical prize for defense companies at a moment when the United States and many European countries are tightening military budgets.

The other finalists are France’s Dassault Aviation SA (AVMD.PA) and Sweden’s Saab AB (SAABb.ST).

Rousseff has not made her final decision, and the timing for an announcement remains unclear, the officials stressed.

But they said Rousseff’s comments to Biden and other recent developments suggest a preference for Boeing, with a decision possible before she makes a state visit to the White House to see President Barack Obama in October.

“If it’s Boeing, Biden will deserve much of the credit,” one senior Brazilian official said.

Rousseff’s main concern with Boeing’s bid has been that the U.S. Congress could block technology transfers because of national security concerns. Brazil has cordial relations with the United States but angered some legislators in recent years through its interactions with Iran, Venezuela and other countries that antagonize Washington.
Rousseff, a pragmatic leftist, has said the technology is even more important than the jets themselves because the deal must boost Brazil’s own budding defense industry, including planemaker Embraer SA (EMBR3.SA), to be worth the price.

In Friday’s meeting, Rousseff first raised the jets deal and her concern over the transfers, officials said.

Biden did not make absolute promises about what Congress would do. But he did cite his more than three decades of experience in the Senate to address her worries point by point, the officials said.

“SEQUESTRATION” A FACTOR?

According to the officials’ account, Biden explained that Senate Democrats have never gone against Obama on strategic defense sales, while most Republicans take the lead from Arizona Senator John McCain, who has expressed support for the Brazil deal.

Biden said U.S. defense budget cuts could reduce opposition in Congress to a deal that could help a U.S. company.

He also cited examples showing Congress has blocked defense sales in strategically difficult parts of the world such as the Middle East, but not peaceful, overwhelmingly democratic areas such as South America.

Before the conversation turned to other matters, Rousseff thanked Biden for giving her “strong” arguments to use in Boeing’s favor, two of the officials said.
Asked to confirm the account, a White House official said: “We aren’t going to comment on private conversations, but in general the United States strongly supports Boeing’s bid.”

Handicapping Brazil’s decision on the jets deal has been difficult, largely because it has dragged on for so long.

Brazil first began looking into replacing its aging Mirage jets in the 1990s, and Rousseff’s predecessor declared publicly in 2009 he was going to choose Dassault.

Yet for a variety of reasons, from budget constraints to election cycles, successive governments have not pulled the trigger. Company executives, some of whom have spent a decade or more pursuing Brazil, have joked in private that the country may have no real intention of buying the jets at all.

LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP

Nevertheless, there are mounting reasons to believe that Rousseff will announce her decision before the end of this year, and that Boeing will be the winner.

Brazil’s military has said maintaining its Mirages will become difficult after this year. Meanwhile, the sensitivities of spending billions of dollars during a rough economic spell could lead Rousseff to announce her decision before 2014, when she faces reelection.

Rousseff has cast the deal as a crucial part of Brazil’s strategic alignment for decades to come - a message she repeated to Biden on Friday, the officials said.

While defying Washington’s wishes on issues like Syria, Rousseff has sought a closer partnership with the United States. She has received a steady stream of Cabinet secretaries and senators, and accepted Obama’s invitation for a state visit, the first by a Brazilian leader in 20 years.

The United States, for its part, chose Embraer in February to provide the Air Force with 20 light attack planes - a deal many Brazilians saw as a necessary condition to buy the F-18.

Boeing has also deepened its partnership with Embraer in recent months.

Meanwhile, the government has been less happy with the other finalists. France’s recent agreement to build submarines with Brazil has resulted in fewer technology transfers than expected, one official said.

France and Sweden reportedly opposed Brazil’s candidate to lead the World Trade Organization, who won the post last month. The United States also favored a different candidate, but was more restrained in its support, in Brazil’s view.

“We notice these things, and they’re all factors in the (jets) decision,” a Brazilian official said. “This is so much money, and we want to choose the right partner.”

(Reporting By Dave Gregorio)

[Steven Jaime]

Yea they may choose the Super Hornet :D

[surfgun]

Any thing to keep a production line hot is a good thing, when they go to truly friendly country.

[Steven Jaime]

Any thing to keep a production line hot is a good thing, when they go to truly friendly country.

Yes indeed

[Steven Jaime]

A point of note, In one on one fighter on fighter combat with no support the F/A-18 with the AIM-120D owns the BVR fight. However if the fight moves WVR the Flanker has more power, more agility, better sensors and only a slight trailing in IR-AAM missile capabilities more than offset with helmet mounted cueing the USN does not have.

Hence this post was years ago i'll go head and take action. Since its 2013 the Navy already has the JHMCS. In WVR both the Flanker and Super Hornet are capable in WVR. The Flanker can't do any of the cool moves it can do like cobra kulbit etc. but as of today the Super Hornet has its superior air superiority capabilities. The Super Hornet is a little challenging to dogfight due to its superior slow speed agility.:) Hence with AIM-9x, JHMCS, APG-79, AIM-120D and superior maneuverability, the super hornet should dominate air superiority with its capable A2A (Air To Air) capabilites when engaging in WVR or BVR with a flanker or another enemy plane.:) But the flanker outspends the Super Hornet in a drag race. It isn't speed that super hornet is capable in and neither intercepting. But with a good pilot, you should be able to recive a Flanker kill with your superior super Honet. :confu:

[Steven Jaime]

Hence this post was years ago i'll go head and take action. Since its 2013 the Navy already has the JHMCS. In WVR both the Flanker and Super Hornet are capable in WVR. The Flanker can't do any of the cool moves it can do like cobra kulbit etc. but as of today the Super Hornet has its superior air superiority capabilities. The Super Hornet is a little challenging to dogfight due to its superior slow speed agility.:) Hence with AIM-9x, JHMCS, APG-79, AIM-120D and superior maneuverability, the super hornet should dominate air superiority with its capable A2A (Air To Air) capabilites when engaging in WVR or BVR with a flanker or another enemy plane.:) But the flanker outspends the Super Hornet in a drag race. It isn't speed that super hornet is capable in and neither intercepting. But with a good pilot, you should be able to recive a Flanker kill with your superior super Honet. :confu:

Sorry mislead outspends meant outspeed.

[GGTharos]

Slow speed maneuverability only matters in a slow, mature fight. If you've gotten to that point, something's not right. It's rather more likely that HOBS missiles will eat everyone up before or at the merge these days.

[gunnut]

Chogy will tell you that sensors, stealth, and datalink are far more deadly to the enemy than the ability to outspeed and out turn the enemy.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

Lastly, the agility in a turning fight after the merge. By this time, something has gone terribly wrong. Pray the other guy didn't bring a -9X or equivalent missile...

[Steven Jaime]

Slow speed maneuverability only matters in a slow, mature fight. If you've gotten to that point, something's not right. It's rather more likely that HOBS missiles will eat everyone up before or at the merge these days.

As a matter infact, it depends on who your dogfight opponent is. If its a Sukhoi then the Super Hornet and Sukhoi have to dogfight at slow speed because they can go very slow dogfighting but the Super Hornet has more advanced systems. If Its a highspeed plane dogfighting the super hornet then it will go on a fast dogfight.

You can't never depend on what or how the dogfight will start.

[Steven Jaime]

Chogy will tell you that sensors, stealth, and datalink are far more deadly to the enemy than the ability to outspeed and out turn the enemy.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

Lastly, the agility in a turning fight after the merge. By this time, something has gone terribly wrong. Pray the other guy didn't bring a -9X or equivalent missile...

Can you give me a link on Chogy?

And also why don't you need the Aim-9x? You need it because its very maneuverable. It has a 90 degree of turning which will score you a kill.

[GGTharos]

As a matter of fact, no, it doesn't matter who your opponent is, because you never want to get slow or get stuck in such a fight. A slow fight is a fight that has gone on for at least a minute, and every second reduces your chances of getting out. Slow speed capabilities matter only in a few narrow circumstances.

You don't want to turn, you don't want dogfights, you want to fire a missile and eat the other plane. You want to do it before he has a chance to do the same thing. Getting into some sort of slow-ass fight is completely counter-productive to your ability to do anything in the battlefield. As a bonus, it makes it impossible to evade anything that's shot at you, be it guns or missiles.

The real battle environment isn't 1v1 - many planes are involved, and the moment you make yourself slow and predictable is the moment someone's going to take a pot shot at you that'll nail you because you had the bad manners to get slow in a real life fight.

There's also nothing that says that you have to dogfight at a specific speed regime - ie. slow. BFM is dynamic and usually fast is better than slow. There's no requirement for either plane to fight slow, they turn just fine at just about any speed above their airshow 'wow' speed.

As a matter infact, it depends on who your dogfight opponent is. If its a Sukhoi then the Super Hornet and Sukhoi have to dogfight at slow speed because they can go very slow dogfighting but the Super Hornet has more advanced systems. If Its a highspeed plane dogfighting the super hornet then it will go on a fast dogfight.

You can't never depend on what or how the dogfight will start.

[GGTharos]

Thrust doesn't matter when you're inside range-turn-and-run. Thrust matters only for your initial setup, or if you've got guns only or rear aspect only weapons in play. Today, even with AIM-9M anyone in front of your plane is in trouble. That thing has a 75 degree seeker gimbal and will attack targets at all aspects. You could be in a complete disadvantage in terms of energy and still make the other guy dance around and get himself defensive. 'This, then that' lists only apply to BVR and BVR to WVR transitions. Once you're doing BFM, things get a lot more dynamic and any discussion of 'I have this, so I will do that better' is strictly academic since you can actually trade advantages/disadvantages with the other guy as speeds change.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

[Steven Jaime]

As a matter of fact, no, it doesn't matter who your opponent is, because you never want to get slow or get stuck in such a fight. A slow fight is a fight that has gone on for at least a minute, and every second reduces your chances of getting out. Slow speed capabilities matter only in a few narrow circumstances.

You don't want to turn, you don't want dogfights, you want to fire a missile and eat the other plane. You want to do it before he has a chance to do the same thing. Getting into some sort of slow-ass fight is completely counter-productive to your ability to do anything in the battlefield. As a bonus, it makes it impossible to evade anything that's shot at you, be it guns or missiles.

The real battle environment isn't 1v1 - many planes are involved, and the moment you make yourself slow and predictable is the moment someone's going to take a pot shot at you that'll nail you because you had the bad manners to get slow in a real life fight.

There's also nothing that says that you have to dogfight at a specific speed regime - ie. slow. BFM is dynamic and usually fast is better than slow. There's no requirement for either plane to fight slow, they turn just fine at just about any speed above their airshow 'wow' speed.

Got you right there, but slow fights usually makes you lose energy, so it makes it impossible to dogfight at such slow speed. Well you at least have to do ACM in a engagement in WVR in the Super Hornet and the Sukhoi. Yes correct on the last paragraph. But in ACM you have to do some maneuvering while entering Mach 0.30-9.6 in order to get your kill.

Also have a question how can you edit your posts? I can't seem to be editing and selecting my avatar. Can you help me how to do it? :red: