F/A-18 Super Hornet

[Steven Jaime]

Steven,

You don't have to copy/paste numbers off the Internet because most of us know the exact numbers and/or do not particularly care for it. We frown upon the "this missile has this range and that missile has that range so this missile will obviously win" talk.

As far as the "dogfight" in the classical sense to the word, ask yourself this:

What's the use of fighting someone one on one with pistols when there are snipers all around you?

That was my info from another aviation forum!

[Steven Jaime]

This is goign to sound harsh, oh well I am an abrasive asshole anyway. Best advice I can give you, shut up when it comes to spouting off like you know things, and ask our resident pilots and aviation experts questions instead of lecturing them. We have people here who have actually fired the missiles your talking about. Right now i think the odds are even up you don't have to shave yet, vs typical troll.

If you can't handle some good info about the AIM-9x please get out or ignore it. Ridiculous if i should say i guess you don't want to hear my info. Like I said I came from another aviation forum.

[Doktor]

[YellowFever]

Steven,

You don't have to copy/paste numbers off the Internet because most of us know the exact numbers and/or do not particularly care for it. We frown upon the "this missile has this range and that missile has that range so this missile will obviously win" talk.

As far as the "dogfight" in the classical sense to the word, ask yourself this:

What's the use of fighting someone one on one with pistols when there are snipers all around you?

[zraver]

The AIM-9x has a 90 degree angel of maneuvering. AIM-9x is very agile and is the best WVR air to air missile.

This is goign to sound harsh, oh well I am an abrasive asshole anyway. Best advice I can give you, shut up when it comes to spouting off like you know things, and ask our resident pilots and aviation experts questions instead of lecturing them. We have people here who have actually fired the missiles your talking about. Right now i think the odds are even up you don't have to shave yet, vs typical troll.

[gunnut]

Can you give me a link on Chogy?

And also why don't you need the Aim-9x? You need it because its very maneuverable. It has a 90 degree of turning which will score you a kill.

I can't remember where I read those posts. Those are just the abstract of his wisdom...

Sure, I want the -9X on my side. I just pray the other guy doesn't have something like it when I'm in a turning fight against him.

[Steven Jaime]

Hehe? :)

[Steven Jaime]

:) Hehe?

[Steven Jaime]

Today, even with AIM-9M anyone in front of your plane is in trouble. That thing has a 75 degree seeker gimbal and will attack targets at all aspects.

Don't you mean AIM-9x? The AIM-9x infront of your target is in bug trouble. The AIM-9x has a 90 degree angel of maneuvering. AIM-9x is very agile and is the best WVR air to air missile. I had to copy and paste my sources on the AIM-9x from another forum because there i had substantially all of my sources about the AIM-9x. I'm showing you how good the AIM-9x is and how it works. Here's my sources from the other forum.

AIM-9X is a Advanced Air-to-air missile from its predecessor the AIM-9M. It's a newer Sidewinder missile with extended range, increased maneuverability and increased reliability. Also the biggest difference between both AIM-9 and AIM-9x missiles is that AIM-9x is thinner and stealthy in design which is why it's a small skinny missile. The original AIM-9 is bigger which increases the aircrafts (RCS) while carrying the AIM-9 in the main hard point sections. Then AIM-9x is use-full when adding the JHMCS which is especially important if your trying to get the enemy down with your advanced missile.

Utilizing the JHMCS, a pilot can point the AIM-9X missile's seeker and "lock on" by simply looking at a target, thereby increasing air combat effectiveness It retains the same rocket motor, fuze and warhead of the 9-"Mike", but its lower drag gives it improved range and speed. AIM-9X also includes an internal cooling system, eliminating the need for use of launch-rail nitrogen bottles or internal argon bottle. It also features an electronic safe and arm device similar to the AMRAAM, allowing reduction in minimum range and reprogrammable InfraRed Counter Counter Measures capability that coupled with the FPA provide improved look down into clutter and performance against the latest IRCM.

Differences between the AIM-9 Sidewinders missile series:

[Steven Jaime]

As a matter of fact, no, it doesn't matter who your opponent is, because you never want to get slow or get stuck in such a fight. A slow fight is a fight that has gone on for at least a minute, and every second reduces your chances of getting out. Slow speed capabilities matter only in a few narrow circumstances.

You don't want to turn, you don't want dogfights, you want to fire a missile and eat the other plane. You want to do it before he has a chance to do the same thing. Getting into some sort of slow-ass fight is completely counter-productive to your ability to do anything in the battlefield. As a bonus, it makes it impossible to evade anything that's shot at you, be it guns or missiles.

The real battle environment isn't 1v1 - many planes are involved, and the moment you make yourself slow and predictable is the moment someone's going to take a pot shot at you that'll nail you because you had the bad manners to get slow in a real life fight.

There's also nothing that says that you have to dogfight at a specific speed regime - ie. slow. BFM is dynamic and usually fast is better than slow. There's no requirement for either plane to fight slow, they turn just fine at just about any speed above their airshow 'wow' speed.

Got you right there, but slow fights usually makes you lose energy, so it makes it impossible to dogfight at such slow speed. Well you at least have to do ACM in a engagement in WVR in the Super Hornet and the Sukhoi. Yes correct on the last paragraph. But in ACM you have to do some maneuvering while entering Mach 0.30-9.6 in order to get your kill.

Also have a question how can you edit your posts? I can't seem to be editing and selecting my avatar. Can you help me how to do it? :red:

[GGTharos]

Thrust doesn't matter when you're inside range-turn-and-run. Thrust matters only for your initial setup, or if you've got guns only or rear aspect only weapons in play. Today, even with AIM-9M anyone in front of your plane is in trouble. That thing has a 75 degree seeker gimbal and will attack targets at all aspects. You could be in a complete disadvantage in terms of energy and still make the other guy dance around and get himself defensive. 'This, then that' lists only apply to BVR and BVR to WVR transitions. Once you're doing BFM, things get a lot more dynamic and any discussion of 'I have this, so I will do that better' is strictly academic since you can actually trade advantages/disadvantages with the other guy as speeds change.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

[GGTharos]

As a matter of fact, no, it doesn't matter who your opponent is, because you never want to get slow or get stuck in such a fight. A slow fight is a fight that has gone on for at least a minute, and every second reduces your chances of getting out. Slow speed capabilities matter only in a few narrow circumstances.

You don't want to turn, you don't want dogfights, you want to fire a missile and eat the other plane. You want to do it before he has a chance to do the same thing. Getting into some sort of slow-ass fight is completely counter-productive to your ability to do anything in the battlefield. As a bonus, it makes it impossible to evade anything that's shot at you, be it guns or missiles.

The real battle environment isn't 1v1 - many planes are involved, and the moment you make yourself slow and predictable is the moment someone's going to take a pot shot at you that'll nail you because you had the bad manners to get slow in a real life fight.

There's also nothing that says that you have to dogfight at a specific speed regime - ie. slow. BFM is dynamic and usually fast is better than slow. There's no requirement for either plane to fight slow, they turn just fine at just about any speed above their airshow 'wow' speed.

As a matter infact, it depends on who your dogfight opponent is. If its a Sukhoi then the Super Hornet and Sukhoi have to dogfight at slow speed because they can go very slow dogfighting but the Super Hornet has more advanced systems. If Its a highspeed plane dogfighting the super hornet then it will go on a fast dogfight.

You can't never depend on what or how the dogfight will start.

[Steven Jaime]

Chogy will tell you that sensors, stealth, and datalink are far more deadly to the enemy than the ability to outspeed and out turn the enemy.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

Lastly, the agility in a turning fight after the merge. By this time, something has gone terribly wrong. Pray the other guy didn't bring a -9X or equivalent missile...

Can you give me a link on Chogy?

And also why don't you need the Aim-9x? You need it because its very maneuverable. It has a 90 degree of turning which will score you a kill.

[Steven Jaime]

Slow speed maneuverability only matters in a slow, mature fight. If you've gotten to that point, something's not right. It's rather more likely that HOBS missiles will eat everyone up before or at the merge these days.

As a matter infact, it depends on who your dogfight opponent is. If its a Sukhoi then the Super Hornet and Sukhoi have to dogfight at slow speed because they can go very slow dogfighting but the Super Hornet has more advanced systems. If Its a highspeed plane dogfighting the super hornet then it will go on a fast dogfight.

You can't never depend on what or how the dogfight will start.

[gunnut]

Chogy will tell you that sensors, stealth, and datalink are far more deadly to the enemy than the ability to outspeed and out turn the enemy.

Then comes thrust that allows one to dictate the fight in the vertical plane and to engage/disengage.

Lastly, the agility in a turning fight after the merge. By this time, something has gone terribly wrong. Pray the other guy didn't bring a -9X or equivalent missile...