A10 vs SU-25

[beez26]

I dont know much about the SU-25 but in all honesty I would pick the A-10 it just looks mean!!!!!

[ArmchairGeneral]

He pretty much said that when he asked the question.

It's pretty cool when A-10 or Tornado guys chime in during an air-to-air shot debrief at Red Flag or something like that. Everybody's head turns when the Hog driver says, "Stop, valid for kill..." At that point an Aggressor pilot usually starts sliding down in his seat.

[Jimmy]

He pretty much said that when he asked the question.

It's pretty cool when A-10 or Tornado guys chime in during an air-to-air shot debrief at Red Flag or something like that. Everybody's head turns when the Hog driver says, "Stop, valid for kill..." At that point an Aggressor pilot usually starts sliding down in his seat.

[ASG]

The A-10 or the Su-25 were not meant for A2A combat. The only purpose of heaters that each carry is for self-defense. In real world, none of these would knowingly engage each other or other aircraft(except may be choppers) unless threatened.

[Kommunist]

I can think of at least one definite advantage the A-10 would have in a dogfight: it's canopy. The A-10's pilot has full 360º vision, unlike the Su-25.

Agreed. Just for arguments sake, wouldn't the awkward position of the engines block some field of vision in the 6 o' clock region?

[jlvfr]

Okay, so the Mach part is finally settled.
But how about A2A? I know that both are CAS aircraft, but SUPPOSE if both came up against each other, which one would be the better platform to be in? At least on paper/theoretically?

I can think of at least one definite advantage the A-10 would have in a dogfight: it's canopy. The A-10's pilot has full 360º vision, unlike the Su-25.

[Kommunist]

Okay, so the Mach part is finally settled.
But how about A2A? I know that both are CAS aircraft, but SUPPOSE if both came up against each other, which one would be the better platform to be in? At least on paper/theoretically?

[Andrey Egorov]

OK, fine... maybe later in production supersonic capabilities were achieved. But it's clearly stated in that book, that 1 Mach is the last thing needed for this bird. Its 25mm titanium bathtub or 4 tons of loadweight are much more useful in attack dive.

[avon1944]

RE: A-10 Vs Su-25

Or maybe Discovery mixed up 1000 km/h (0,82M) with M itself?

Or maybe Discovery mixed up 1000 km/h (0,82M) with M itself

That is not what the Blue Angle pilots were saying when they were discussing what a surprise flying the Su-25 was to them. They distinctly stated the Su-25 was capable of going faster than Mach 1.0.

Adrian

[jlvfr]

I realize it's not straight, but the trailing edge is; and even wiki says it is of "moderate sweep", not enough to qualify it as a supersonic airfoil.

True, but it might be enough to, maybe in a shallow dive, with an empty plane, to hit Mach 1...

[Kommunist]

B-52: America's oldest supersonic intercontinental bomber

[Jimmy]

B-52: America's oldest supersonic intercontinental bomber

[Kommunist]

I realize it's not straight, but the trailing edge is; and even wiki says it is of "moderate sweep", not enough to qualify it as a supersonic airfoil.

Ya, its not meant for supersonic flight, but may be it can do it, with possible damage to the airframe.

[Stitch]

The leading edge of the wing is not straight...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-25

I realize it's not straight, but the trailing edge is; and even wiki says it is of "moderate sweep", not enough to qualify it as a supersonic airfoil.

[bugs]

Or maybe Discovery mixed up 1000 km/h (0,82M) with M itself?

you might be right about that
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