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  • Originally posted by gangsta540i
    I got another thing thats kinda been on my mind and that is when India has these excercises with other countries i'm wondering why they have to bring their top plane such as the MKI when the other countries can make observations and learn things and find weaknesses in Indias top plane.

    Instead of bringing the top of the line fighter they should use the lower level k variant so countries won't know much about India's technology. I know they need these excercises to simulate real world fighting but they shouldn't display their top level fighter when they can have the same level as training without giving them any hint of what India has in store.
    as of now india hasnt ever flown an MKI in exercises with other countries

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    • Originally posted by Dima
      go they have any training plans, and with what nations, involving what aircraft?
      they just did it with the french. soon there will be one with americans. etc etc.

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      • The exercise brought together leading fighter combat aircraft and aircrew and ground crew of both air forces. The USAF flew in F-15Cs, while the IAF was represented by Mirage 2000, Su-30K, MiG-27s and MiG-21 (upgraded).
        from
        http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im.../iafindex.html
        India not allowed USAF to see MKI variant.
        I want to see official declaration about involvement af Su-30MKI in India Cope 2004.

        So, R-77E has a range greater than 31miles - about 160Km has R-77M variant, and earlier R-77 has 90Km, far greater than your 31miles.
        R-77M has up to 160Km!
        R-73 (first variant) has 30Km range.
        http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r73.htm
        http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r77.htm

        AMRAAM has only 50-70 km (30-45 miles) range.
        http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/amraam.htm
        AIM-9 has 18 km (9.7 nm) range
        AIM-9x (prototype) has like R-73 later variant 40Km range (but R-73 is in production from 90' and AIM-9X will be maybe after 5 years or earlier).
        http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/sidinder.htm
        Last edited by huh_what; 22 Sep 05,, 01:46.

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        • Originally posted by huh_what
          The exercise brought together leading fighter combat aircraft and aircrew and ground crew of both air forces. The USAF flew in F-15Cs, while the IAF was represented by Mirage 2000, Su-30K, MiG-27s and MiG-21 (upgraded).
          from
          http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im.../iafindex.html
          India not allowed USAF to see MKI variant.
          I want to see official declaration about involvement af Su-30MKI in India Cope 2004.

          So, R-77E has a range greater than 31miles - about 160Km has R-77M variant, and earlier R-77 has 90Km, far greater than your 31miles.
          R-77M has up to 160Km!
          R-73 (first variant) has 30Km range.
          http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r73.htm
          http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r77.htm

          AMARAAM has only 50-70 km (30-45 miles) range.
          http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/amraam.htm
          AIM-9 has 18 km (9.7 nm) range
          AIM-9x (prototype) has like R-73 later variant 40Km range (but R-73 is in production from 90' and AIM-9X will be maybe after 5 years or earlier).
          http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/sidinder.htm
          I thought the americans are using AIM-120 series now.

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          • Originally posted by tphuang
            I thought the americans are using AIM-120 series now.
            AMRAAM is the AIM-120

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            • Originally posted by huh_what
              The exercise brought together leading fighter combat aircraft and aircrew and ground crew of both air forces. The USAF flew in F-15Cs, while the IAF was represented by Mirage 2000, Su-30K, MiG-27s and MiG-21 (upgraded).
              from
              http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im.../iafindex.html
              India not allowed USAF to see MKI variant.
              I want to see official declaration about involvement af Su-30MKI in India Cope 2004.

              So, R-77E has a range greater than 31miles - about 160Km has R-77M variant, and earlier R-77 has 90Km, far greater than your 31miles.
              R-77M has up to 160Km!
              R-73 (first variant) has 30Km range.
              http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r73.htm
              http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/r77.htm

              AMRAAM has only 50-70 km (30-45 miles) range.
              http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/amraam.htm
              AIM-9 has 18 km (9.7 nm) range
              AIM-9x (prototype) has like R-73 later variant 40Km range (but R-73 is in production from 90' and AIM-9X will be maybe after 5 years or earlier).
              http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/sidinder.htm

              It doesn't matter how much range something has if it can't hit anything to start with.

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              • Originally posted by Sandman
                It doesn't matter how much range something has if it can't hit anything to start with.
                please elaborate...

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                • These computer tests dont mean jack ****.

                  12 SU-30s per 1 F-22?
                  2 SU-30 per 1 F-15?

                  SU-30 Is clearly superior to the F-15. The F-22 is also unproven in combat and has only a top speed of mach 1.8. I dont care that it can cruise at Mach 1 without having to go into burners. Top speed and climb rate still mean life or death in Air to Air combat; not the super agility of the SU series or anything like that. The plane with the speed and altitude wins 95 percent of the time.

                  and for god's sake, testing an aircraft's kill ratio on a damn PC, my god, this is real military hardwear that can be used at any moment in todays world, Not flying an ME109 of FW 190 around in IL2

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                  • Originally posted by RepublicanGuard
                    These computer tests dont mean jack ****.

                    SU-30 Is clearly superior to the F-15.

                    A bold statement,, and so well backed with supporting facts..............

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                    • Originally posted by gangsta540i
                      I'm worried about the malaysian aquisition of the sukhoi 30 mkm. I heard it has indian tecnologies in it and TVC and was wondering why they are offering it to other countries. I don't like the idea of other countries getting indian technology, and almost the same varient of fighter as india did and was wondering what you guys think about this.

                      My opinion is that the indians successfully created a really good plane and I think russia should sell a different varient to malaysia just like they did to china.
                      this is all about business here.... and China will not get advanced version because of politics not business. RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ARE NOT BEST FRIENDS!!! (to those who were commending mutual maneurvres).

                      As for Malaysia vs Singapoore, Russian companies are happy to sell their fighters to both.

                      Idians did not create MKI. They did very important part of the design - set a clear goal and agreed to finance its implementation. However the rights for the aircraft and its design belong to Irkut Corporation which designed and MKI.

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                      • Also we have agreed to incorporate the techs made ourselves to be sold to malaysia. (vetrivale etc)
                        Hala Madrid!!

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                        • Originally posted by indianguy4u
                          Also we have agreed to incorporate the techs made ourselves to be sold to malaysia. (vetrivale etc)
                          Yes. Indian partner HAL and its contractors agreed to sell all compenents designed for MKI to Malaysia. It also gave intention to provide overhaul to Malaysian Su-30MKM once its own overhaul center and manufacturing of AL-31F engines commences.....

                          India makes money on this contract! and it owns

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                          • Originally posted by RepublicanGuard
                            These computer tests dont mean jack ****.

                            12 SU-30s per 1 F-22?
                            2 SU-30 per 1 F-15?

                            SU-30 Is clearly superior to the F-15. The F-22 is also unproven in combat and has only a top speed of mach 1.8. I dont care that it can cruise at Mach 1 without having to go into burners. Top speed and climb rate still mean life or death in Air to Air combat; not the super agility of the SU series or anything like that. The plane with the speed and altitude wins 95 percent of the time.

                            and for god's sake, testing an aircraft's kill ratio on a damn PC, my god, this is real military hardwear that can be used at any moment in todays world, Not flying an ME109 of FW 190 around in IL2
                            it can supercruise at mach 1.6~8 and has a top speed of mach 2.3~5
                            It's just a simulation. But i guess if 1 F/A-22 can really down 12 Su-30s, other countries wouldn't be buying Russian planes. 'cause a squadron of F/A-22 can take out the entire Russian Air Force

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                            • "'cause a squadron of F/A-22 can take out the entire Russian Air Force."

                              Uhh...on what basis are you making this claim?

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                              • Originally posted by SuperFlanker
                                "'cause a squadron of F/A-22 can take out the entire Russian Air Force."

                                Uhh...on what basis are you making this claim?
                                it will be pretty hard for F-22 to take down all the Mig-31s in Russian air force. Although, the kill ratio of F-22 to su-30mki/su-37 is probably 10:1.

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