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    So while literaly nothing has changed, 60 minutes and The New York Times have apparently brought this event into the mainstream and provided cover to discuss it.

    Lets just say there was a physical object seen by eye witness, infrared cameras and the Nimitiz radar.

    My question is regarding the forward looking Infrared cameras on the F/A 18 and their depth perception. Can it not be an illusion that the object is performing beyond earth capabilities because the cameras can't figure out the size and how far away the object is, so we can't determine its true speed using the cameras? Interested to hear anyone who has heard the account of the incident, the infrared camera claims and has an understanding of what the cameras can't and can do on this.

  • #2
    Try this one:
    https://www.salon.com/2020/08/16/sor...ts-ufo-videos/

    Sorry, believers: Skeptics say there are rational explanations for military pilots' UFO videos

    Paging Agent Mulder: The Pentagon's spectacular UFO videos all have plausible, non-extraterrestrial explanations

    By MATTHEW ROZSA

    he Pentagon announced Thursday that it is creating a task force to investigate UFO sightings. Though the notion that the military is investigating UFOs sounds like a fringe conspiracy theorist's ultimate redemption, the military's actions are far from preposterous. That's because their own trusted soldiers have credibly encountered UFOs while piloting military aircraft.

    The Pentagon's footage from these sightings, which has been made public, depicts objects zooming quickly through the sky, as recorded by military pilots. Though these objects fit the technical definition of a UFO — meaning an unidentified flying object — they may not adhere to the folk understanding of "UFO" as synonymous with an extraterrestrial spacecraft. That's because there isn't exactly any evidence that these objects are of extraterrestrial origin, or that they defy any existing laws of physics that might hint at their development by a more scientifically advanced species.

    "To understand the videos, all you need to do is ask any fighter pilot familiar with the FLIR camera system," Brian Dunning, a professional scientific skeptic and podcaster, told Salon by email. "What looks like great speed and wild maneuvers is just a common optical illusion combined with the effects of the FLIR's gimbal and glare filter." FLIR cameras, short for forward-looking infrared cameras, are capable of seeing slightly into the infrared spectrum, meaning that heat sources light up on FLIR camera footage.

    Dunning zeroed in on a released video that appears to show a bat-winged shaped craft, noting that "the object you're seeing is a single point of heat from an unidentified plane, probably a distant commercial jet, flying away from the F-18. The camera is looking out the side of the F-18 which is speeding past nearby clouds, making the object appear to be moving relative to the clouds."

    He added, "Its bat-wing shape is how the FLIR's glare filter always depicts single bright points (there are plenty of examples of this on YouTube), and whenever the object appears to turn, this is simply the FLIRs gimbal rotating to keep the target in view as the F-18 maneuvers. The other videos also have similarly prosaic explanations."


    Timothy Caulfield, a law professor at the University of Alberta who also hosts a TV series that debunks pseudoscience (titled "A User's Guide to Cheating Death"), explained to Salon that there are a number of potentially innocuous explanations — many of them involving military or other highly secretive scientific experiments — that get ignored due to sensationalism.

    "I get why people are fascinated by this topic. It's exciting, it's intriguing, it's mysterious," Caulfield said. "But the idea that these things are UFOs and alien sightings, and that there is alien material left on our planet, is scientifically implausible and highly unlikely. It's an Occam's Razor story. I think there is probably a more straightforward explanation, but we will just never know with the deep uncertainty. People want answers."

    He drew particular attention to how the pilots that spotted these UFOs may have inadvertently fanned the flames of conspiracy theorists.

    "When people look at those kinds of videos and the reaction of the pilots, for example, I think that's often also used to give them more credibility with these expert pilots, often military pilots, commenting on the behavior of the shifts," Caulfield explained. "I'm not a physicist, I'm not an engineer. I can understand what people are intrigued. They don't know what this object is and it's moving in a manner that seems impossible given our current technology."

    Alexander Wendt, an international relations professor at Ohio State University who has become a prominent amateur ufologist, pointed to the reactions of the military pilots as a sign that these new UFOs should be taken seriously.

    "I challenge anybody to do better than the Navy to explain what's in those videos. If the Navy couldn't do it..." Wendt told Salon, before adding that "they had every reason to want this off their plate."

    As Wendt pointed out, "I think what's unique about these Navy videos is that the whole issue arose from the pilots... I think the upset pilots is really a key thing. These guys are the experts on what's in the sky. They have thousands of hours of experience flying up there. You see some of the interviews with these pilots and they think something is going on, and they were the ones that pushed this whole issue to the front."

    Another Ohio State University professor, political scientist Thomas Wood, opened up to Salon about why people embrace UFO conspiracy theories.

    "If you look at the data on public opinion on this, it is really sort of incredible," Wood explained. (A Gallup poll last year found that 33 percent of Americans believe that some UFO sightings were caused by alien visitation; a YouGov poll last month found that 56 percent of Americans believe that the government would hide UFO evidence from the public.) "The American public fascination with UFOs is one of the very durable conspiracy theories in the American public's imagination. Most conspiracy theories may become popular and then quiet quickly — for instance, the Barack Obama was born in Kenya theory, the American government planned the 9/11 terrorist attack theory. The UFO conspiracy theory is one of those that just sort of stuck around."

    Dunning was quite cynical about the reasons for people believing in UFOs.

    "Two words: Sensationalism sells," Dunning emailed Salon. "Nobody is excited about the artifacts of the FLIR glare filter; everyone is excited about the prospect of the Pentagon hiding the 'truth about aliens.'"

    He added, "Humans are hardwired for anecdotal thinking. Our brains gravitate toward the simple and the desirable, and away from the complicated and the boring. The people in the business of selling TV programming are well aware of this, and that's why we see UFOs, ghosts, psychics, and miracle cures dominating pop culture."

    Many famous people claim to have encountered either UFOs or aliens, from singers Elvis Presley and Blink-182's Tom DeLonge and President Jimmy Carter. They were able to have successful careers despite the stigma associated with such an alleged experience, though many other believers were not.

    Earlier this year, the TV series "Unsolved Mysteries" devoted an episode to a group of people from a small town in western Massachusetts who claim they encountered a UFO in 1969. They described being socially rejected, viciously bullied, and in one case even harassed to the point where they moved away. it makes sense why they wouldn't go to the police or the local press at the time with their story. Many other reports of UFO sightings and encounters follow the same pattern — those who come forward suffer for doing so. As one of the people in the episode puts it, the town devolved from "Norman Rockwell to Salvador Dali" as public opinion and un-visited citizens turned against the purported witnesses.

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    • #3
      This is worth a listen:

      https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/episodes/035-ufos/

      For those interested. Relevant to the 'tic tac' as well.

      If you want to 'cheat', listen 24:00 to 39:00.
      Last edited by JA Boomer; 06 Jun 21,, 03:55.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
        Try this one:
        https://www.salon.com/2020/08/16/sor...ts-ufo-videos/

        Sorry, believers: Skeptics say there are rational explanations for military pilots' UFO videos

        Paging Agent Mulder: The Pentagon's spectacular UFO videos all have plausible, non-extraterrestrial explanations

        By MATTHEW ROZSA

        Fraror mentions multiple times you need to say the original video not copies...i can't speak to that.

        Sounds like there are multiple possbilities that make forward infrared cameras unreliable for determining actual performance capaibilities. Doesnt look ike extraordinary evidence matching extraordinary claims.

        Would be interested to see the pentagon go into detail here as well as the aegis radar data....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JA Boomer View Post
          This is worth a listen:

          https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/episodes/035-ufos/

          For those interested. Relevant to the 'tic tac' as well.

          If you want to 'cheat', listen 24:00 to 39:00.
          David always comes across as level headed, knowledgeable and genuine. I have no problem he believes his account 100%. Just unclear what that adds up too.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tantalus View Post

            Would be interested to see the pentagon go into detail here as well as the aegis radar data....
            The Pentagon is never going to open source real/full capabilities of those detection systems. When you let the OpFor know how accurate your system is, what materials it uses and some the technical problems that occur, They develop TTPs to maximize those flaws and weaknesses

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post

              The Pentagon is never going to open source real/full capabilities of those detection systems. When you let the OpFor know how accurate your system is, what materials it uses and some the technical problems that occur, They develop TTPs to maximize those flaws and weaknesses
              Nice example of my naivety on display.

              Still maybe in a report futher down the report the Pentagon could throw us some bones. if not techincal specs, atleast on if they feel they have a plauisible explanation in terms of errors that would give an account.

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              • #8
                I watched the video that JA Boomer posted and if I was going to investigate this, My first question would be "What did the other ships/sensors in the battle group see?"
                Because the only evidence presented so far is one ship which BTW had just had a new radar installed, and 2 planes.

                I would investigate the radar. First time at sea with it, could there have been some type of interference caused by other systems on the ship?

                This also coincides with a new version of the ATFLIR on the F-18. Why no videos from Litening or Sniper Pods?

                Where is the video from the other plane?

                The waves/boiling water is easy to explain if you have ever been at sea. Sharks Dolphins attacking a school of fish/ Pod of whales or dolphins or gas discharge from the bottom of the sea (I know this happens in the Gulf from fissures near gas/oil deposits)

                Why doesn't the Pentagon try to explain. Because those that believe rarely change their mind, and then the headline is Pentagon is Covering Up UFO encounters. What are they really hiding?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tantalus View Post
                  So while literaly nothing has changed, 60 minutes and The New York Times have apparently brought this event into the mainstream and provided cover to discuss it.

                  Lets just say there was a physical object seen by eye witness, infrared cameras and the Nimitiz radar.

                  My question is regarding the forward looking Infrared cameras on the F/A 18 and their depth perception. Can it not be an illusion that the object is performing beyond earth capabilities because the cameras can't figure out the size and how far away the object is, so we can't determine its true speed using the cameras? Interested to hear anyone who has heard the account of the incident, the infrared camera claims and has an understanding of what the cameras can't and can do on this.
                  Just the mere mention of the term "UFO" and people go bonkers. We have people uploading millions of high quality videos onto Facebook and Youtube everyday and yet no one high quality video of a UFO. Always, always, vague images of what purports to be a UFO. A UFO that is out there playing hide and seek with us. If there were an alien visit from another planet does one really think they would play hide and seek. If they can get here then their technology makes us look like we are still in the stone age and then why bother screwing around with us. They can either land and announce their presence or just vaporize the F-18 and just be done with it. Call me a non-believer...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                    I watched the video that JA Boomer posted and if I was going to investigate this, My first question would be "What did the other ships/sensors in the battle group see?"
                    Because the only evidence presented so far is one ship which BTW had just had a new radar installed, and 2 planes.

                    I would investigate the radar. First time at sea with it, could there have been some type of interference caused by other systems on the ship?

                    This also coincides with a new version of the ATFLIR on the F-18. Why no videos from Litening or Sniper Pods?

                    Where is the video from the other plane?

                    The waves/boiling water is easy to explain if you have ever been at sea. Sharks Dolphins attacking a school of fish/ Pod of whales or dolphins or gas discharge from the bottom of the sea (I know this happens in the Gulf from fissures near gas/oil deposits)

                    Why doesn't the Pentagon try to explain. Because those that believe rarely change their mind, and then the headline is Pentagon is Covering Up UFO encounters. What are they really hiding?
                    Ssshhhhh, Gunny!!!!

                    You are ruining the plan!
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                      Ssshhhhh, Gunny!!!!

                      You are ruining the plan!
                      That's what us Lizard People are here for.

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                        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                        Mark Twain

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