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  • #46
    Originally posted by Jaeger
    I read somewhere that DRDO guys were working on 3D TVC control for the LCA, so that the vertical tail can go.
    With this if they move the intake to a dorsal position, I'm sure it will help the RCS no end - more effective concealment of the engine blades .
    That leaves just two things, AESA and IRST. For the latter, we just downsize the one on our MiG 29s and we should be in. AESA might be an issue, but calling in the Israelis/Russians/French to help shouldn't be a problem... (I have the feeling that I'm making this sound stupidly easy. Sorry, I tend to get carried away. )
    I read they're already working on Kaveri 2, with higher thrust... i wonder if it will be enough to push the little blighter up to Mach 2... and yes, they should retain the LEVCONs from the Navy version in the AF one as well.
    Yep that's about it... whos up for lunch? I hear they're serving honey fried JF 17 ribs at the Garden of the Golden Phalcon...
    i dont think 3D TVC will be any problem for us indians.We can get a lot of help from russians on this regards.Morevoer we are even gonna manufacture around 900 al31FP which is 3D TVC So we are getting the technology in 2005-6 i geuss teh production with full indian components starts then .. So we need to work on integrating it.We can even get the better IRST's from Israelis/french/russians hosever has it. in case theres less time.Or take their help in constructing the same.
    AESA is an issue But i think french can help in that LOL.. i know i m sounding all rubbish butthe point is that we need to get LCA inducted as fast as possible so we need some lot of patches like ToT and production.


    By the way does anyone have specs of the Radar to be integrated with LCA. i could just find that its MMR but nothin else.

    Whats the condition of astra ??

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    • #47
      Looks like the front half of a Tornado welded to the arse-end of an old Delta Dart to me. ;)
      Where's the bloody gin? An army marches on its liver, not its ruddy stomach.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by The Chap
        Looks like the front half of a Tornado welded to the arse-end of an old Delta Dart to me. ;)
        Well i think looks dont matter. Waht metters is that if it can perform .Though the pilots testing it said that it is more easy in handling that Mirage 2000H that india has.Its a long way to go to find out how it will turn out to be .We will get a better picture when the fourth aircraft flys in november with weapons integration. After all we dont have to use them as a show peice but as weapons ... :)

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        • #49
          Tejas will be world's cheapest fighter jet

          http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/n...hp?newsid=2470

          NEW DELHI: The new American F/A-22 Raptor stealth fighter costs Rs 480 crore. The Rafale multi-role jet being inducted into the French Air Force and Navy, in turn, notches about Rs 270 crore. The price tag for the French Mirage-2000 and the Swedish JAS-39 Gripen also hovers between Rs 130 crore and Rs 160 crore.


          In contrast, despite huge time and cost overruns, the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft "Tejas" will cost only Rs 100-110 crore. And perish any thought of Tejas becoming "obsolete" by 2010 when it will be inducted into the IAF. Its "open-architecture" avionics and "glass cockpit" systems ensure it can be constantly upgraded.

          This was the basic message delivered by defence minister Pranab Mukherjee, defence secretary Ajai Vikram Singh, DRDO chief M Natarajan and others to the Parliamentary Consultative Committee on Defence on Tuesday after members expressed serious concerns about the long-delayed project.

          The MPs were also told that Tejas, which will be the world's smallest, lightweight and relatively cheapest frontline combat aircraft, had excellent "export potential". Sources said Brazilian aviation major Embraer - India has ordered five Legacy VVIP jets from it for Rs 727 crore - has already shown interest to jointly market Tejas worldwide.


          The development cost for Tejas, which has now completed 395 test flights and even crossed the 1.4 Mach supersonic speed barrier, is currently pegged at Rs 5,489 crore. This again is quite low compared to Gripen's development cost of around Rs 12,640 crore.

          The LCA project, of course, was sanctioned way back in 1983 to replace India's ageing MiG fleet. The project cost was only Rs 560 crore then. The parliamentary standing committee on defence has, in fact, asked the government to "fix responsibility" for the inordinate delays in the project and the indigenous Kaveri engine.

          The snags in Kaveri has meant that the first two Tejas squadrons will be powered by the American GE-404 engines. The IAF has projected a requirement of 200 Tejas fighters and 20 trainers at present.


          Defence officials say Tejas incorporates several "new" technologies like "unstable aerodynamic configuration" to achieve higher agility, fly-by-wire flight control system, digital integrated avionics, advanced optroncis, multi-mode radar and composite airframe
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          The ones in the casinos are serious.

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          • #50
            Gentlemen,

            Here is a little nitpicking:

            Compared to the f16 blk 50+ (incldg blk60), LCA has some advantages:
            1) HMS (i'm not sure cause i have read the blk 52s also have these)
            2) More composites (supposedly has the lrgst amount of composites than any other non-stealthy fighter)
            3) Add to point 2 the fact that it is the smallest fighter a/c around, it's RCS will be v.v.small if not the smallest for non stealth a/c.
            4) As regards the weapons it is supposed to carry:
            indian (astra), russian (whole bunch), israeli. This wide variety would give it a pretty good advantage over most other gen 4 + a/c.
            6) The LCA radar is no slouch either, the MMR (speculative figures are TWS 10: 4). This is comparable to the Zhuk M (which by the way is smaller in size than MMR and still claims to TWS 20:6). Also uses ELTA - litening II LDP.
            7) As the ECM suite of the LCA, the least one can expect is a fully integrated suite comprising of tarang2/tranquil, el 8222 etc
            8) Open Architecture i.e. can be modified further into more wicked configurations.

            Yes, the F16 blk 60 would still have an edge because of the AESA. I do not think the blk 50/52 will have that edge. LCA in a2a will at least be competitive with the BLK 52 (a2g - the f16 would probly the edge).


            The later versions of the LCA may have TVC and AESA (US and Fra are'nt the only ones develpg this tech, Israelis have already started flight testing the el 2052 which was shown at Aero INdia 05. India too has it's own program apart from the Russians.) This technology will come sooner than later.

            Just my 2 cents.

            Regards,
            USS
            Last edited by uss; 06 May 05,, 04:49.

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            • #51
              Tejas completes 400 test flight sorties
              Bangalore, May 7.(PTI): India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas, completed 400 test flight sorties today when Technology Demonstrator-1 (TD-1) and Proto Vehicle-1 (PV-1) were flown this morning, Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) said.

              Today's flight tests were conducted for calibration of air data system at different altitudes and speeds for TD1, which is now ready for exploration of the flight envelope further, ADA said in a statement here.

              Duration of the flight was 47 minutes for both the aircraft, it said.

              Tejas TD-1 has been fitted with new nose air data probe after its 75 hour scheduled servicing, the statement said.

              The fourth aircraft PV2 with reduced structural weight, completely new avionics and cockpit displays is presently undergoing vibration and structural coupling tests.

              This aircraft would also be fitted with multi-mode radar, R73 missile and drop tanks, it said, adding, its maiden flight is scheduled for the next month

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              • #52
                The Prototype Vehicle-2 (PV-2) version of Tejas, the indigenously designed and developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), will be ready in a few days, said Ashok K. Baweja, chairman, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), here on Friday. The aviation major has also started talks with the IAF for the supply of 40 LCAs, he said.

                Speaking to presspersons, Mr. Baweja said the limited series production of eight Tejas aircraft for the IAF is on. The IAF has indicated that it wants 20 more aircraft, with an option to procure another 20.
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                • #53
                  I read somewhere that DRDO guys were working on 3D TVC control for the LCA, so that the vertical tail can go.
                  How about learning to walk or crawl first!

                  I read they're already working on Kaveri 2, with higher thrust... i wonder if it will be enough to push the little blighter up to Mach 2... and yes, they should retain the LEVCONs from the Navy version in the AF one as well.
                  Kaveri-1 is still in LALALAND and you're dreaming about Kaveri-2. ?? LMAFO


                  I like this show. clap clap

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                  • #54
                    I understand that the ECM suite is a state of the art one.
                    Because , the IAF has been standardising on that.

                    Just wait for the PV-2.That baby will reveal to our hearts content. ;)

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