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  • B.Smitty
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    [QUOTE=miglover5]
    Originally posted by B.Smitty
    Every type of plane has it's one benefits. F.e. the gripen is a good point defence fighter because is is designed to operate from highways and it has an excellent thrust/weight ratio; the f/a-18e is a good strike aircraft because of its high payload; ...

    By the way, exept for the f-16c those aircrafts aren't combat tested yet, and I think you can't rely on statistics...

    There are so many types of planes in my airforce because I think it is a sort of insurance policy...

    Gripen doesn't have close to the T/W of an F-22, Typhoon or even Su-30MKI, and if you're forced to fight a war from highways, you're screwed. Plus it has miserable range. Fine if you want to defend the local Quick-E-Mart, but terrible if you actually want to take the war to the enemy.

    The biggest thing going for the Super Hornet is it can land on carriers, otherwise it's nothing special. Both the F-22 and Su-30MKI can out carry it, and the F-22 will eat its lunch in A2A.

    Combat testing is nice, but not essential. I'll take untested F-22s over all the other comat tested types out there and sleep well at night. The fact of the matter is, we know stealth works, and the F-22 is one of the stealthiest out there. Add to that it's world-beating kinematic performance, and the only thing you need to worry about is rebooting your avionics in flight.

    The best thing about the F-16C is its price. But since we aren't dollar constrained in this exercise, it's not all that special. A useful HARM shooter perhaps (but then again, so is the F/A-18E)

    An insurance policy is maybe two types (with different engines). More than that is a waste, IMHO.

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  • akash
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    Originally posted by Captain C
    1000 Peacekeeper ICBM's 'Nuff said

    :ph34r

    Awesome!! My airforce would look something like that. LOL
    Last edited by akash; 03 Sep 05,, 23:08.

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  • miglover5
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    [QUOTE=B.Smitty]Who so many types? I can see NavAir vs AF, but why Gripen, Flanker, Falcon, JSF and Raptor? 'Bout the only reason I can think of is one helluva DACT fleet.


    Every type of plane has it's one benefits. F.e. the gripen is a good point defence fighter because is is designed to operate from highways and it has an excellent thrust/weight ratio; the f/a-18e is a good strike aircraft because of its high payload; ...

    By the way, exept for the f-16c those aircrafts aren't combat tested yet, and I think you can't rely on statistics...

    There are so many types of planes in my airforce because I think it is a sort of insurance policy...

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  • B.Smitty
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    Originally posted by Equilibrium
    Bombers and C4I
    30 B 52H- The ultimate nuclear penetration variant- capable of carrying 24 cruise
    missiles with hundreads of miles of range with either nuclear or
    conventional warheads.

    30 B 52D- The true modified area bomber variant, capable of carrying approx 100
    500lb bombs.

    2 E-4B- I might have direct my airforce's battle operations, not to mention my
    strategic nuclear deterrent should it be neccesary.

    2 VC-25A I must travel with the perception of power and majesty befitting my
    position.

    20 B-2-
    B-52s are nice if you actually have to worry about money, but in this thread, might as well go for all B-2s. Batwings can fire JASSMs and carry large amounts of ordinance, but BUFFs can't penetrate a sophisticated IADS.

    Originally posted by Equilibrium
    10 E-3 AWACS
    2 EC-135 Looking Glass
    6 Airborne Laser E-4
    Decent, though only 10 E-3s will make it tough to put up round the clock coverage over more than a couple areas for any length of time. Plus you lack a SAR/GMTI capability.

    ABLs are neat, but I'd invest more in ISR capabilities.


    Originally posted by Equilibrium
    Fighter-Bomber
    50 F-117
    100 F35
    100 F-22
    70 F/A-18E
    70 F-15I
    20 F-105 Wld Weasel
    40 A-10
    If you have F-22s and F-35s, then Nighthawks aren't needed.

    F-22s can do everything F-15s can do and a LOT more.

    F-105s are museum pieces.

    A-10s, eh.. your airforce, not mine. ;)

    Originally posted by Equilibrium
    ICBM's
    20 Peacekeeper
    40 Minuteman III
    10 SS-18
    ICBMs are an interesting choice here, but why not just go all Peacekeeper? If you're gonna start lobbing them, might as well have enough MIRVs to irradiated the whole planet..

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  • B.Smitty
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    Originally posted by miglover5
    1000 aircraft!
    fighters

    75 x jas gripen

    200 x f/a-22A raptor(can't do without them these days I think)

    100 x su-30MKI

    50 x eurofighters

    75 x f/a-18e superhornet

    80 x f-35A jsf

    20 x f-16c falcon 'wild weasel'
    Who so many types? I can see NavAir vs AF, but why Gripen, Flanker, Falcon, JSF and Raptor? 'Bout the only reason I can think of is one helluva DACT fleet.


    Originally posted by miglover5
    Bombers/attackers

    25 x tu-160 blackjack

    25 x b-2C spirit

    50 x a-10

    50 x f/b-22
    Why Blackjacks and Batwings? Why not either/or? (B-2s are far more capable, BTW)

    IMHO, A-10s are a waste in this type of exercise, but whatever.. ;)

    Originally posted by miglover5
    tankers

    20 x airbus a310 mrt
    A310 MRTTs are relatively small hose-and-drogue only tankers. That means you can't use them to refuel your F-22s, F-35s, F-16s, B-2s, FB-22s, A-10s, or E-8s, and I kinda doubt they can handle any Russian aircraft.

    Better to use the larger A330 MRTTs or KC-767s, with both hose-and-drogue and boom capabilities. Plus, they both have significantly larger fuel offload capability.
    Last edited by B.Smitty; 31 Aug 05,, 01:41.

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  • B.Smitty
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    Originally posted by Garry
    I guess that both Su-30MKI and MiG-29SMT-2 are too inefficient to be a trainer aircraft. In fact any battle aircraft is inefficient trainer. The resource of the aircraft - hours it can fly and number of landing/take off cycles is limited - training flights on actual fighter may exaust aircraft like it happens now in India. In addition to that aircrafts which are not designed as trainers have costly engines to replace.

    I don't use them as trainers, per se. I use them as aggressors in Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT).

    My primary trainers are 20 x T-6 Texan IIs and 20 x EADS Mako LIFTs.

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  • miglover5
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    1000 aircraft!
    Well, the Belgian aircomponent doesn't have so many aircrafts!


    fighters

    75 x jas gripen

    200 x f/a-22A raptor(can't do without them these days I think)

    100 x su-30MKI

    50 x eurofighters

    75 x f/a-18e superhornet

    80 x f-35A jsf

    20 x f-16c falcon 'wild weasel'

    Bombers/attackers

    25 x tu-160 blackjack

    25 x b-2C spirit

    50 x a-10

    50 x f/b-22

    recon/patrol

    25 x br-1150 atlantique

    15 x airbus a310 aew

    5 x e-8 jstars

    transport

    65 x airbus a400M

    15 x an-125 condor

    uav

    15 x rq-1 predator

    15 x rq-4 global hawk

    tankers

    20 x airbus a310 mrt

    helicopters

    50 x pah-2 tiger

    75 x augusta a-109

    50 x eh101 merlin
    Last edited by miglover5; 30 Aug 05,, 18:13.

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  • Garry
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    Originally posted by B.Smitty
    Traning
    20 x T-6 Texan II Primary Trainer
    20 x EADS Mako LIFT
    10 x Su-30MKI (DACT)
    10 x Mig-29SMT-2 (DACT)
    I guess that both Su-30MKI and MiG-29SMT-2 are too inefficient to be a trainer aircraft. In fact any battle aircraft is inefficient trainer. The resource of the aircraft - hours it can fly and number of landing/take off cycles is limited - training flights on actual fighter may exaust aircraft like it happens now in India. In addition to that aircrafts which are not designed as trainers have costly engines to replace.

    That is why a whole range of special sub-sonic trainers were designed. These have cheaper engines to replace and higher resource in terms of hours and take off/landing cycles. The justification is that only 5% of training requires super sonic capabilities.

    In my view Russian Yak-130 and its Italian copy Aermacchi M346 are the best trainers at the moment......

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  • B.Smitty
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    Originally posted by magic-spaceship
    limits are for sissies
    Perhaps, but not playing by the rules of the game is childish.

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  • kargal
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    Originally posted by Captain C
    Hey, we are talking fantasy here right???? If you're going to have a fantasy, might as well make it a good one!!!!!!

    :)Clp

    Now we are talking.
    " I WILL GRAB MY WORLD AND TAKE IT TO MARS"
    leave you guy's here in space. Keep fighting :)

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  • B.Smitty
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    Originally posted by BUFFB52
    Now this is just for fun..the total of aircraft you can have is 1,000, and can use modern or future aircraft.

    Ok, a bit contrived, but what the heck,

    FIghter & Strike Aircraft
    230 x F/A-22 Block 40
    80 x B-2C "Conventional" Spirits
    171 x F-35C (enough for 3xCVF sized carriers plus some spares and training)
    20 x EF-18G (would rather have an F/A-22 or F-35 jammer)
    10 x AC-130U

    Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon
    10 x E-10 Spiral 1 (MP-RTIP)
    20 x E-10 Spiral 2 (AWACS)
    10 x E-10 Spiral 3 (ELINT)
    10 x E-2C+ Advanced Hawkeyes (carrier-born)
    20 x RQ-4B Global Hawk (MP-RTIP)
    30 x MQ-9A Predator B
    20 x 737 MMA

    4 x Acquacade SIGINT satellites
    4 x Intruder COMINT/ELINT satellites
    4 x KH-12 IMINT satellites
    4 x Discoverer II SAR/GMTI satellites
    20 x various SATCOM satellites
    33 x GPS BLock II F satellites

    Support
    20 x KC-33A (747-400F based tanker conversion)
    20 x A330 MRTT
    45 x A400M (with tanker pods)
    45 x C-17
    30 x CH-53 HLR
    20 x CV-22
    70 x NH90

    Traning
    20 x T-6 Texan II Primary Trainer
    20 x EADS Mako LIFT
    10 x Su-30MKI (DACT)
    10 x Mig-29SMT-2 (DACT)


    Total = 1000

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  • magic-spaceship
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    Originally posted by hello
    Even after you've added this second list of aircraft your airforce is 34,350 which is still 650 aircraft short of Su47s airforce of 35000.
    My airforce is less than 10000 and many people have stuck to the 1000-plane limit.

    limits are for sissies

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  • longcat
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    how about 500 f 22s 200 b 2s and 300 a 10s

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  • hello
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    Originally posted by magic-spaceship
    50 CB-17 Globmasters - converted as heavy platform for saturation launches of
    the stealthy AGM-137 TSSAM (Tri-Service Standoff Attack Missile), and
    AGM 136 Tacit Rainbow anti-radiation loitering missles to be sent in after the
    AGM-137's to attack any radars that come on after the initial AGM-137 strike

    1,000 F18G ECM

    1,000 EF-111 Raven ECM - rebuilt with new engines and new electronics

    5,000 Minute Man Silos

    2,000 Midgetman Hardened Mobile Launches


    still thinking of some more

    basicaly my airforce is a wet dream - but it pawns
    Even after you've added this second list of aircraft your airforce is 34,350 which is still 650 aircraft short of Su47s airforce of 35000.
    My airforce is less than 10000 and many people have stuck to the 1000-plane limit.

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  • magic-spaceship
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    Originally posted by magic-spaceship
    Hmmm


    Lets see

    Fighter/ Attack

    500 Super Phantoms (love that bird) - rebuilt with new engines/electronics/radar

    2,000 JSF's - 500 carrier based

    1,000 - Super F14's

    1,800 F/A22's - got to have em

    1,000 F/B22's

    2,000 A10's - new build with upgraded with modern electronics and more powerful engines/30mm ammo

    Bomber/Attack

    1,000 B52's - newbuild - with modern electronics - more powerful engines, reduced crew

    1,000 B2's - just for the hell of it

    1,000 B1B's

    Support

    2,000 C17's

    2,000 C130's - new build, modern electronics, updated engine

    1,000 C5's - new build, modern electronics, updated engines

    5,000 - 7,000 KC-767's

    1,000 MV22's

    1,000 V22's

    Special Op's

    500 AC-17's

    1,000 AC-130's - based on my new build C-130's

    500 AV-22's


    (more comming got to sleep )

    50 CB-17 Globmasters - converted as heavy platform for saturation launches of
    the stealthy AGM-137 TSSAM (Tri-Service Standoff Attack Missile), and
    AGM 136 Tacit Rainbow anti-radiation loitering missles to be sent in after the
    AGM-137's to attack any radars that come on after the initial AGM-137 strike

    1,000 F18G ECM

    1,000 EF-111 Raven ECM - rebuilt with new engines and new electronics

    5,000 Minute Man Silos

    2,000 Midgetman Hardened Mobile Launches


    still thinking of some more

    basicaly my airforce is a wet dream - but it pawns

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