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  • So, as it turns out, the Iranians didn't even know where the crash site was for days after the drone went downn

    Tale of RQ-170 Hijack In Doubt as Told in Tehran
    Tale of RQ-170 Hijack In Doubt as Told in Tehran
    Posted by David A. Fulghum at 12/16/2011 1:48 PM CST
    Purported Iranian engineering specialists have been taking liberties with the laws of physics in their descriptions of an electronic hijacking of the RQ-170 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, say U.S. analyst.

    Holes in the account start with the fact that it took days for the Iranians to discover the lost aircraft. In fact, intelligence officials at one point thought the Iranians might simply never stumble across the crash site because it was in such a remote and uninhabited part of northeastern Iran.

    Electronic attack of the Sentinel is “certainly possible, but there’s no indication that they even knew it had crashed in Iran for some time,” says a veteran black-projects manager.

    That scenario is validated by an aerospace industry ISR specialist, who agreed that “if they were not aware [of the Sentinel’s presence in Iran for days], then there is no reason to believe they had any semblance of control.”

    And then there are technical issues that make a hijacking, as described by the Iranians, unlikely.

    “Among the reasons to doubt the claim that GPS jamming had anything to do with the loss of the RQ-170 is a simple overlooked fact,” says a third U.S. analyst. “GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170 or for most other air vehicles. The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system, which is essentially unjammable unless you want to monkey with the local gravitational field. The GPS updates the INS and cancels its drift. So, even a full GPS blackout would simply cause the vehicle to be a bit less accurate,” he adds.

    “If the GPS was ‘spoofed’ with a fake signal — and even JDAMs have anti-spoofing GPS receivers today, so that might be difficult — any abrupt change in the GPS reading would cause the Kalman filters in the GPS/INS to conclude that the GPS was malfunctioning and cut it out of the loop,” he says.

    The continuing discussion of why the RQ-170 went down was renewed by a Christian Science Monitor interview with Iranian military technologists who say they were able to “cut off communications links” to the Sentinel using knowledge gathered from the inspection of at least three other U.S.-operated, non-stealthy, unmanned aerial systems (UAS). The trick, they say, was to scramble the GPS coordinates that guided the aircraft to make it think it was landing at its home base in Afghanistan, and only imprecision in the altitude data caused the Sentinel to land with its wheels up.

    The report went on to quote an Iranian engineer as saying the “electronic ambush” was accomplished "by putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."

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    • You will have to give the idiots a few days to dream up some super story to counter those logical points.

      I wonder where they got the "other three" from.
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      • Iran spoofs U.S spy satellite, Ynetnews reports.


        Report: Iran 'blinded' CIA spy satellite

        European intelligence source claims Iran stuns West by 'aiming a laser burst quite accurately' at US satellite in never before reported incident. US official: If Russians provided Iran with sophisticated jamming equipment it means a lot else is at risk too
        Is Iran in possession of satellite jamming technology? A European intelligence source claimed Iran stunned Western intelligence agencies when it managed to "blind a CIA spy satellite by aiming a laser burst quite accurately," in a never before reported incident.

        According to an article in The Christian Science Monitor, this unreported incident might suggest that the Iranians have successively gained access to jamming technology, allowing them to track unmanned aerial vehicle navigation capabilities.
        Former US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told Fox News on Sunday that such an option is possible.
        "Some reports have said Russia sold (Iran) a very sophisticated jamming system a short time ago. Now, our military says that is not true, it came down because of a malfunction. I certainly hope that's right because if the Russians have provided Iran with sophisticated jamming equipment it means a lot else is at risk too," said Bolton.



        He added that Congress should be quite concerned if Iran is in possession of jamming technology that can bring down missiles, planes and communications and guidance systems "for a whole range of our weapon systems."


        Drone's Achilles' heel

        An Iranian engineer, trying to decipher the secrets of the CIA drone that was flying over Iranian territory earlier this month, claimed Iranians managed to the craft's frequency, causing it to switch into autopilot mode and land on Iranian territory.

        The engineer maintained that the drone's Achilles' heel is its global positioning system (GPS). He explained that by jamming the communication the UAV is forced to switch to autopilot, causing it to lose control.

        According to the engineer, Iran was able to jam communication after accumulating data on other US drones which were shot down in Afganistan. Iranian experts were then able to reprogram the GPS data supposedly directing the US craft to land in Iran

        Delaying announcement of capture

        Meanwhile, Iran's foreign minister said on Saturday that his country deliberately delayed its announcement of the capture of an American surveillance drone to test US reaction.



        Ali Akbar Salehi is quoted by the official IRNA news agency as saying Saturday that Iran's armed forces intercepted and brought down the pilotless aircraft without any foreign assistance.



        On Friday US offcials said they believe the American stealth drone displayed in Iran had crashed and broke into pieces and was put back together by Iranians to make it seem it was not damaged by the crash, reported The Wall Street Journal.



        Iranian military officials were appeared surveying the unmanned aerial vehicle in video clips published last week, which Tehran claimed was shot down or remotely skyjacked before managing to land the drone intact.

        However US officials maintained the pilots of the UAV, which was developed by the Air Force but used by the Central Intelligence Agency at the time of the incident, lost control of the drone last week.

        The officials claimed the drone broke into three pieces, and added the UAV in question is one the most-sophisticated US spy planes available. Now the American intelligence officials are hard at work trying to asses how badly this incident hurt their capabilities in the region

        American officials believe the Iranians have managed to reassemble the drone and display it, stirring up a heated discussion among Washington lawmakers who are outraged the sophisticated UAV cannot self destruct in the event that it falls into unwanted hands.



        Officials also maintained the drone was repainted by Iran in an attempt to hide the damage caused to the UAV. According to them, the actual color of the drone is charcoal-gray and not white, as it appears to be in the video.

        Tehran's claim that the pilot had lost control of the craft has raised suspicion among US officials.

        "They did not commandeer it and steer it to the ground," a Washington official stated. "It crashed, and they put it back together to make it look whole, like a puzzle being put back together."

        Meanwhile, Google CEO Eric Schmidt asserted that Iran has been developing cyber warfare which might endanger the US in the future.
        “The Iranians are unusually talented in cyber war for some reason we don't fully understand,” Schmidt said in an interview with CNN on Thursday.
        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...162770,00.html

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        • So If Im getting this straight, Russia turns arounds and does this.... with semi harmless radioactive medical isotopes......

          MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's customs agency announced Friday it has seized pieces of radioactive metal from the luggage of an Iranian passenger bound for Tehran from one of Moscow's main airports.

          It was not immediately clear if the substance could be any use to Iran's controversial nuclear program.

          Iran's semi-official news agency ISNA confirmed that material had been seized from the luggage of an Iranian passenger in Moscow about a month ago, but denied it was radioactive.

          Russia's Federal Customs Service said in a statement that agents found 18 pieces of metal, packed in steel pencil cases, at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport after a radiation alert went off. It said the gauges showed that radiation levels were 20 times higher than normal.


          Spokeswoman Kseniya Grebenkina told The Associated Press the luggage was seized some time ago, but did not specify when. The Iranian wasn't detained, she said, and it was not clear whether he was still in Russia or not. She did not give his name. The pieces contained Sodium-22, she said, a radioactive isotope of sodium that could be produced in a particle accelerator.

          Kelly Classic, a health physicist at the United States' renowned Mayo Clinic, said: "You can't make a nuclear bomb or dirty bomb with it."

          "You'd certainly wonder where it came from and why," Classic told The Associated Press. "It's prudent to be a little leery considering where the person's going."

          Classic said the isotope can be used in devices that determine the thickness of metals.

          Another expert, Michael Unterweger, group leader for the radioactivity group at the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology, said it can be used as a calibration source for radiation instrumentation.

          Unterweger said "it's really strange" that so much Sodium 22 was in the luggage, but if he were the Russian authorities "I wouldn't worry about it."

          Iran's ISNA news agency quoted an official at the Iranian Embassy in Moscow as denying that radioactive materials were seized from the luggage of an Iranian passenger bound for Tehran.

          "About a month ago, a misunderstanding arose in connection with (an Iranian) student who was carrying some materials for dentistry uses. The issue was quickly resolved and apologies were offered to him," ISNA quoted the official as saying Friday.

          ISNA didn't name the official but quoted him as blaming Western media for publishing incorrect information, although the reports first came from the Russian customs service.

          "These reports seek to damage Iran-Russia relations," the official was quoted as saying.

          Grebenkina said prosecutors have launched a probe into the incident but insisted that the material seized is not highly radioactive.

          It was not immediately clear why the agency chose to make the announcement on Friday. Russia, which built the Bushehr nuclear plant in Iran, has aimed to show the international community that its nuclear cooperation with Iran is not connected to Iran's alleged aim of building nuclear weapons.

          The U.S. and Israel have not ruled out a military option against Iran's controversial nuclear program. Iran denies the charge, saying its program is geared toward generating electricity and producing medical radioisotopes to treat cancer patients.

          Last month, the U.S. and its Western allies bluntly accused Iran of deceiving the world by trying to hide work on nuclear arms, and the U.N. atomic agency passed a new resolution criticizing Tehran's nuclear defiance.

          Sergei Novikov, spokesman for Russia's Rosatom nuclear agency, told the AP that the pieces seized at Moscow airport are highly unlikely to have come from Rosatom and said the isotope is produced by particle accelerators, not by nuclear reactors.

          In Russia, universities, research institutes and big medical centers have the technology to produce it, he said.

          Novikov said Rosatom has never sold Sodium-22 to Iran, but it has supplied Iran with other types of medical isotopes.

          In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said officials have contacted Russia for more information, and "Until we hear from the Russians exactly what they've got and how it all went down, I don't think we should evaluate."

          A spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to talk on the subject publicly, said that to his knowledge the agency had not yet been notified by the Russians about the seizure and had no information other than what was being reported by media.

          Earlier this year, Atomstroiexport, a Rosatom subsidiary, launched Iran's first nuclear reactor in Bushehr. Russian officials have insisted the deal is in line with international agreements and will oblige Tehran to ship all the spent fuel from the plant back to Russia for reprocessing to avoid a possibility of it being used in a covert weapons program.

          The U.S. House of Representatives, meanwhile, endorsed harsher sanctions Wednesday against Iran aimed at derailing its suspected pursuit of nuclear weapons.

          ---

          Seth Borenstein and Matthew Lee in Washington, Ali Akbar Dareini in Tehran and Jim Heintz in Moscow contributed to this report.

          iWon News - Russian customs seize Iran-bound radioactive metal

          But yet turns around and sells Iran this sophisticated laser electronic counter measure apparatus (One that Russia herself has not even used) to hit a US satellite according to the article. Meanwhile, they also claim early on that it was this piece of equipment ( Kolchuga Electronic Support system (Ukraine) - Jane's C4I Systems) the Kolchuga system sold to them from the Ukraine manufacturer. The US has only known about this system for the last 9 years and also know Iran purchased one as long ago as 2006.

          IMO, Why would the Russians sell them this electronic countermeasures laser when they have not even used it and Russia like the US keeps the best for itself and its own defense. Russia did not even sell the S-400 series to the Iranians although they wanted to buy them. Tehran itself admitted to copying the S-300 series instead.

          Something tells me the "bullshit" detector just pegged on 10.

          WTF is next Dr. Whos "Tartus"?
          Last edited by Dreadnought; 19 Dec 11,, 23:16.
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          • Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
            Iran spoofs U.S spy satellite, Ynetnews reports.

            Report: Iran 'blinded' CIA spy satellite - Israel News, Ynetnews[/QUOTE]

            European intelligence source claims Iran stuns West by 'aiming a laser burst quite accurately' at US satellite in never before reported incident. US official: If Russians provided Iran with sophisticated jamming equipment it means a lot else is at risk too

            Is Iran in possession of satellite jamming technology? A European intelligence source claimed Iran stunned Western intelligence agencies when it managed to "blind a CIA spy satellite by aiming a laser burst quite accurately," in a never before reported incident.
            Two quick thoughts. If it's true Iran brought down the drone using electronic or laser countermeasures, thank you Iran for letting us know what you got. However, I'm inclined to believe that if Iran had such a capability, it wouldn't have let the world know. Rather it would have just claimed the drone pooped out over their territory and they found it. Either way, the propaganda payoff is the same. What argues against Iran having that capability is the condition of the drone. Obviously it crashed landed and was patched together for display. Now if they could take control, as they claim, they ought to have been able to land it in one piece.


            Delaying announcement of capture

            Meanwhile, Iran's foreign minister said on Saturday that his country deliberately delayed its announcement of the capture of an American surveillance drone to test US reaction.
            Unprovable, illogical and deceptive. What US reaction were they expecting? Effort to blow drone up on the ground would have left them with drone in wee pieces. All out attack on Iran unlikely over a spy drone. Public announcement by US that it was missing a drone last known to have been spying on Iran...lol...highly unlikely. Message from US to Iran thru Swiss Embassy in Tehran--"send drone home." No, the Iranians needed time to scotch tape the drone together, hide the gear, get it to a secure location and tinker around with it a bit. That's why they delayed. If they had taken TV cameras to the crash site, and said "lookee here what we found" they would have risked a US search and destroy mission. The Iranians are great story tellers.
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            • Well it looks like Iran is returning the drone back to Obama after all...That is sorta!

              Iran to Give US Drone Back

              Iran Is Selling Rainbow Toy Copies of America's Captured Drone (And Mailing One to Obama)

              U.S. drone that crashed in Iran goes miniature - Checkpoint Washington - The Washington Post
              Last edited by qaz14595; 17 Jan 12,, 22:01.

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              • And their story of "downing" it will make good fiction for the lackies.
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