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    A PLOT by Islamic extremists in Melbourne to launch a suicide attack on an Australian Army base has been uncovered by national security agencies.

    Four men - all Australian citizens - were arrested this morning as federal and state police, armed with search warrants, swooped on members of the suspected terror cell this morning in the second-largest counter-terrorism operation in the nation's history.

    Those arrested included a 26-year-old Carlton man, a 25-year-old Preston man, a 25-year-old Glenroy man and a man, 22, from Meadow Heights

    About 400 police raided homes in the northern Melbourne suburbs of Glenroy, Meadow Heights, Roxburgh Park, Broadmeadows, Westmeadows, Preston and Epping. They also raided homes at Carlton in inner Melbourne and Colac in southwestern Victoria.

    "Police believe members of a Melbourne-based group have been undertaking planning to carry out a terrorist attack in Australia and allegedly involved in hostilities in Somalia,'' a joint police statement said.

    The men are expected to be charged with a range of terrorism-related offences.

    Authorities believe the group is at an advanced stage of preparing to storm an Australian Army base, using automatic weapons, as punishment for Australia's military involvement in Muslim countries. It is understood the men plan to kill as many soldiers as possible before they are themselves killed.

    Members of the group have been observed carrying out surveillance of Holsworthy Barracks in western Sydney and other suspicious activity around defence bases in Victoria.

    Electronic surveillance on the suspects is believed to have picked up discussions about ways to obtain weapons to carry out what would be the worst terror attack on Australian soil.

    The cell has been inspired by the Somalia-based terrorist movement al-Shabaab, with two Melbourne men, both Somalis, having travelled to Somalia in recent months to obtain training with the extremist organisation, which is aligned with al-Qa'ida.

    One of those men has already returned to Melbourne. The other is still in Somalia.

    Al-Shabaab, which is using suicide bombers and jihadist fighters to try to overthrow the Somali government, seeks to impose a pure, hardline form of Islam, and sees the West as its enemy. It has been declared a terrorist organisation by the US and it has close links with al-Qa'ida leaders, including Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, an architect of the 1998 attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which 223 people died.

    The investigation of the group, dubbed Operation Neath, involves about 150 members of the Australian Federal Police, Victoria Police and ASIO. It was launched in late January.

    Search warrants for at least 19 properties across Melbourne have been prepared to allow authorities to obtain more evidence against the group, which is believed to number about 18, with a smaller, hardcore element.

    The suspects include Australians of Somali and Lebanese decent, most of whom are labourers employed in Melbourne's construction industry, or taxi drivers.

    It is understood that several members of the group also wanted to travel to Somalia to fight with al-Shabaab, but when travel became difficult, they turned their attention to carrying out a terrorist attack in Australia.

    Al-Shabaab is currently searching for jihadist recruits around the world, including in Australia. Authorities fear that Australian Muslims who travel to Somalia to fight for al-Shabaab could return to Australia as sleeper agents for future attacks in this country.

    In the US, more than 20 Somali American men have disappeared from their Midwest homes in recent months to fight alongside al-Shabaab troops in Somalia.

    The FBI's investigation into the radicalisation of Somali refugees in the US, via al-Shabaab, was described by The New York Times last month as “the most significant domestic terror investigation since September 11”.

    The AFP is understood to have recently presented its evidence against the Melbourne cell to the Office of the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, which advised that the evidence was sufficient to support charges being laid under national terrorism laws.

    A previous AFP investigation _ Operation Rochester, in 2007 _ into extremist activities within small pockets of the nation's 16,000-strong Muslim Somali community petered out after it was established there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

    Only a small number of Australia's Somali community adopt the hardline Wahabist view of Islam, but authorities fear radicalism among this minority is being fanned by recent events in Somalia.

    Intelligence analysts warn that Somalia has become the new breeding for international Islamic terrorists, as extremists seek revenge for the events of December 2006, when US-backed forces from Christian Ethiopia toppled the hardline government known as the Islamic Courts Union.

    The US and Australia defended the Ethiopian invasion as a front in the global war on terror, but it awakened the nationalism of many Somalis in Australia, as well as Muslims of other ethnic backgrounds, who viewed it as a Christian crusade into a Muslim land.
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    This is a dangerous trend in a number of Western countries. They are home grown Islamist Extremists.

    Some are originally from Somalia, and trained in Somalia. While some others are originally from Pakistan, and trained in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

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    • #3
      Send them packing.

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      • #4
        Bury them.
        Aut vincere aut mori

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        • #5
          The concern for people in these countries is that they are their citizens, their neighbors. Some were born and brought up there. Some were not originally Muslims.
          Last edited by Merlin; 04 Aug 09,, 08:14.

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          • #6
            The feds saved their sorry arses...

            The plan was to go to Holsworthy, the biggest base in any of the Southern states and start killing soldiers with automatic weapons...GOOD LUCK

            Yes they may have killed the rentaguards at the main gate but Holsworthy is massive, tens of thousands of acres... by the time they got anywhere juicy the real security (army response teams) would have buried them.

            Oh and thats also where TAG EAST is based.. one of our two premier counter terror squads...

            Really there wasnt much thought put into this one, hardly terrorist masterminds these lot.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by chakos View Post
              The feds saved their sorry arses...

              The plan was to go to Holsworthy, the biggest base in any of the Southern states and start killing soldiers with automatic weapons...GOOD LUCK

              Yes they may have killed the rentaguards at the main gate but Holsworthy is massive, tens of thousands of acres... by the time they got anywhere juicy the real security (army response teams) would have buried them.

              Oh and thats also where TAG EAST is based.. one of our two premier counter terror squads...

              Really there wasnt much thought put into this one, hardly terrorist masterminds these lot.
              Aside from the fact that these guys weren't too bright, it is clear that the security services knew about this well in advance. We will probably never know all the details, but I am betting that the tip off or at least some of the intel pointing them toward these guys came from within the local Islamic community. ASIO & the Feds have been very effective in getting info from local muslims, either by undecover work or just plain old informants.

              I still believe that at some point there will be a terrorist attack in Australia - probably by the equivalent of a 'lone angry nut'. They tend to be the hardest to stop no matter if they are a Muslim out to impress Allah or an angry white guy with a grudge. At this point, however, fewer people have been killed In Australia by Islamic fundamentalists than by a long list of fanatics (including Irish, Armenians, Croats, White Supremacists & anti-Abortion nuts). Lets hope it stays that way.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chaobam Armour View Post
                Send them packing.


                Yea just like we do in the UK ,,,,,,,,,,,NOT

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by silentsam View Post
                  bury them.
                  100%;)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chaobam Armour View Post
                    Send them packing.
                    Do you mean like what the US are doing with the Gitmo detainees? Have you decided where to pack them to?

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                    • #11
                      Would have been smarter if the feds played dumb, warned the military to give their rentaguards a week off and man the checkpoints with veteran infantry, loaded up TAG East and kept it as a mobile reserve and then let the terrorists have a try.

                      Excellent live fire training and no legal fees afterwards.

                      I live about 3km from Holsworthy (just across the river down my street) and used to train there when i was in cadets... plenty of places to bury bodies. Land mass wise the number i hear tossed around is 1/6 the total area of Sydney is comprised of Holsworthy base and surrounding defence land used for training.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chakos View Post
                        Would have been smarter if the feds played dumb, warned the military to give their rentaguards a week off and man the checkpoints with veteran infantry, loaded up TAG East and kept it as a mobile reserve and then let the terrorists have a try.

                        Excellent live fire training and no legal fees afterwards.

                        I live about 3km from Holsworthy (just across the river down my street) and used to train there when i was in cadets... plenty of places to bury bodies. Land mass wise the number i hear tossed around is 1/6 the total area of Sydney is comprised of Holsworthy base and surrounding defence land used for training.
                        Yeah, but one stray bullet & you have the PR nightmare from hell. Kill it before it takes its first breath.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                          Yeah, but one stray bullet & you have the PR nightmare from hell. Kill it before it takes its first breath.
                          The problem is your not killing it.. your putting it in goal for an insufficient amount of time after spending millions paying for both sides of the court case (i doubt any would be supplying their own lawyers).

                          I would have no problem if they arrested them, took them to Holsworthy anyways and dispached them in pre-dug holes out the back of H-range (if they want to die in a hail of bullets carrying out Allahs will at Holsworthy who are we to defy Allah and not oblige them)... but somehow i doubt we have the bollocks to take that kind of action.
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                          • #14
                            Remember Operation Wrath of God? I think its time something like that happens again.

                            So many guys that preach terrorism, might as well start hunting them down cuz the government surely isn't!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chakos View Post
                              The problem is your not killing it.. your putting it in goal for an insufficient amount of time after spending millions paying for both sides of the court case (i doubt any would be supplying their own lawyers).

                              I would have no problem if they arrested them, took them to Holsworthy anyways and dispached them in pre-dug holes out the back of H-range (if they want to die in a hail of bullets carrying out Allahs will at Holsworthy who are we to defy Allah and not oblige them)... but somehow i doubt we have the bollocks to take that kind of action.
                              Its not about bollocks, its about due process & rule of law - two of the key things that make us better than them. Its not about bollocks, its about brains - the reason we will prevail. Shoot these guys today & I guarantee you that by last prayers tommorrow you will not only recruit more terrorists than a decade of AQ propaganda, but you will dry up most of our domestic informants.

                              I imagine Dr Haneef is plesed that we lacked 'bollocks' when the Feds as good as convicted him. Likewise Mamdouh Habib, who got a bit of torture thrown into his free flight from Pakistan to Gitmo (via Egypt). Sometimes the authorities get it wrong.

                              The whole 'swift justice' thing has a high feelgood factor, but it is self defeating. Our slow, boring legal system is one of the most important features of our free & democratic society. What was it ben Franklin said: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".
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