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    How true is it that the ISI, the Pakistan Army, and the civilian government are three power bases running the country? At least to the Head of the ISI, this is true.

    ISI chief to India: talk to us, we make policy too
    23 July [Hindu] ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI: Days before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yusuf Raza Gilani met in Egypt, the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence floated a suggestion that India deal not just with Pakistan’s civilian government but also directly with its Army and intelligence agency.

    Lt. Gen. Shuja Pasha made the out-of-the-box overture during a meeting earlier this month with the three Indian defence advisers representing the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force attached to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, The Hindu has learnt.

    The sit-in at Lt. Gen. Pasha’s office in Rawalpindi on July 3 took place entirely at his initiative, though it was ostensibly convened in response to a request made by the Indian High Commission “years before.” It is normal for defence advisors attached to various diplomatic missions in Islamabad to seek and be granted calls on the ISI director-general — a wing of the ISI is the co-ordinating agency for them — but Indians have rarely had an audience.

    During their discussion, Lt. Gen. Pasha and the defence advisors did not refer to the Mumbai attacks or the investigations into it, either on the Indian or Pakistani side. Nevertheless, senior officials in Delhi saw the interaction as an attempt by the ISI to “reach out” to India in the run-up to the Sharm el-Sheikh meeting of the two Prime Ministers.

    The Hindu has learnt that during the course of the extremely cordial meeting, Lt. Gen. Pasha came clean in stating that the ISI and the Pakistan Army were involved in framing Pakistan’s India policy, along with the Foreign Office. He made the oblique suggestion that India deal directly with these three institutions if it had a similar three-way mechanism.

    In their effort to understand the genesis of this idea, Indian officials sought to establish whether the ISI chief — who has a reputation for speaking his mind freely — had merely made an off-the-cuff remark or was floating a trial balloon after consultations with all other “stakeholders” in the Pakistani establishment.

    Ministry of External Affairs officials asked Pakistan’s High Commissioner to India Shahid Malik about the ISI chief’s suggestion, but the envoy was unaware that the meeting had even taken place. This led the MEA to conclude that the Pakistani foreign office may not be in the loop.

    Asked about the July 3 meeting last week, Mr. Malik confirmed to The Hindu that it took place but said he was unaware of what was discussed. Major-General Athar Abbas, the Pakistani military spokesman, said he had no knowledge of the meeting. Officials at the Indian High Commission in Islamabad also refused comment.

    Highly placed South Block officials told The Hindu that India is not averse to talking to the Pakistani military or the ISI even as it engages with the civilian government but there were two problems with the suggestion. First, any proposal to open new lines of communication must come from the Pakistani government. And second, the power structures in India and Pakistan cannot really compare with each other. ....

  • #2
    Originally posted by Merlin View Post
    How true is it that the ISI, the Pakistan Army, and the civilian government are three power bases running the country? At least to the Head of the ISI, this is true.
    ISI is a unofficial arm of Pakistani Army.There are no three power centers. It is always 2. PA and Politicans.

    ISI is staffed heavily by PA men. The head of ISI is ALWAYS a PA general and is appointed by and reports to PA chief of staff.

    So when ISI chief speaks, he is speaking for PA.

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    • #3
      This is serious accusation, by no less than Mike Mullen.

      ISI spreading terrorism in India, says US
      25 July [ndiaTimes] WASHINGTON: A top US military strategist has affirmed ahead of a meeting with the visiting Indian Army Chief that Pakistan has been fomenting terrorism in India and Afghanistan, endorsing New Delhi’s and the Indian Army’s long-held view at a time when the two neighbours are sparring over the issue.

      The damning public US indictment of Pakistan’s use of terrorism came frin US Admiral Mike Mullen, who told the Arabic television network Al Jazeera hours ahead of his meeting with General Deepak Kapoor on Thursday that in the long run the ISI has to change its strategic thrust, which has been to foment chaotic activity in its border countries.

      When the surprised anchor asked, ‘‘What do you mean when you say the ISI has had a strategic thrust to foment chaos in bordering countries?’’ Mullen did not mince words. ‘‘What I mean is that they have clearly focused on support of ... historically, of militant organizations both east and west. I mean that’s been a focus of theirs in Kashmir, historically, as well as in FATA. And I think ... that fundamentally has to change.’’

      Mullen’s observations are critical because Pakistan has lately taken to accusing India of fomenting insurgency in Balochistan and even backing the Taliban to offset its indictment in Kashmir, charges that have been scoffed at in both New Delhi and Washington. The prevailing Pakistani narrative, encouraged by some of its high officials, is that India and Afghanistan are in cahoots with Washington in destabilizing Pakistan, including the use of Pakistan’s own proxy, Taliban, against it.

      Islamabad has also complained repeatedly to the US about the strong Indian influence in Afghanistan where Pakistan is now largely despised, except in Taliban strongholds. There is palpable agitation in Pakistan over closer military ties between New Delhi and Washington, even though many in India itself are still leery and distrustful about the US. ....

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      • #4
        How determined and effective are their actions. And how much of this is true?

        Pakistan agents sympathetic to terrorists 'arrested'
        5 Aug [Telegraph] Elements within Pakistan's military intelligence agencies sympathetic towards terrorists have been arrested, according to the interior minister, Rehman Malik.

        Mr Malik told a private TV channel that they were officers of the rank of major and plotted to target army generals.

        He said there have been some elements in the intelligence agencies who have had links with terrorists, including the head of the Pakistani Taliban, Baithullah Mehsud, and with other banned organisations.

        In recent months several army majors have been linked to kidnappings and murders carried out by militant outfits. An army major has been linked to the murder of a former army general in Rawalpindi last year.

        Several military officers were arrested in connection with assassination attempts on the former military ruler, Pervez Musharraf.

        Last year the Pakistani government conceded that members of its Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) were giving support to the Taliban.

        A spokesman said that Taliban sympathisers had to be rooted out of the ISI.

        But in a reflection of the sensitivity of the issue, the government quickly retracted the statement to maintain the problems at ISI were in the past.

        Mr Musharraf had previously conceded that retired members of the ISI might be supporting the Taliban's efforts against coalition forces. American officials claimed that they had uncovered evidence of collusion between the ISI and an attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul last year.

        US officials believedf the embassy attack was conducted by forces loyal to the Afghan Taliban commander, Jalaluddin Haqqani, who is associated with al-Qaeda and the has had links in the past with the ISI. ....
        Last edited by Merlin; 06 Aug 09,, 13:40.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Merlin View Post
          How true is it that the ISI, the Pakistan Army, and the civilian government are three power bases running the country? At least to the Head of the ISI, this is true.

          ISI chief to India: talk to us, we make policy too
          I think spy agencies of every country are all-in-all and having full privileges to make every thing happen very quickly as regards internal matters.
          Peace, Peace, Peace

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Merlin View Post
            How determined and effective are their actions. And how much of this is true?

            Pakistan agents sympathetic to terrorists 'arrested'
            "Non-State Actors" are handled by retired ISI personnels.
            Technically they are not part of ISI.Hence the real culprits are still scot free.

            Now what I would be interested know how many are arrested when the former head Kiyani himself believes Haqqani is a strategic asset!

            They have to start from the top!

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            • #7
              It is a good sign that ISI is opening up to the Western media, slowly.

              The ISI, Pakistan's notorious and feared spy agency, comes in from the cold
              5 Aug [Guardian] In its own land the agency is viewed with awe and dread. Now it is opening up – a little – to western journalists

              The entrance is suitably discreet: a single barrier near a small hospital off a busy Islamabad highway. ... Further along, soldiers emerge to check for bombs.

              Then a giant electric gate slides back to reveal a sleek grey building that would not look out of place on a California technology campus. With one difference: nothing is signposted.

              Welcome to the headquarters of the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate, Pakistan's premier spy agency. Powerful and notorious in equal measure, for decades the ISI has operated behind a dense veil of secrecy, impervious to allegations of election rigging, terrorist training, abduction and assassination. Many Pakistanis call it the "state within a state".

              Now, though, the ISI is coming in from the cold. Over the past year the agency has invited a stream of western journalists into its swish, modern nerve centre. Over tea and PowerPoint briefings, spies give details of some of Pakistan's most sensitive issues – the Taliban insurgency, the hunt for al-Qaida, the troubled relationship with India. ....

              Yet rehabilitating the ISI's image would tax the most inventive spin doctor. For 30 years its covert operations have been at the sharp end of Pakistani policy, supporting Islamist extremists fighting Indian soldiers in Kashmir, and boosting the Taliban to power in Afghanistan.

              At home the agency is viewed with awe and dread. It is the eyes and ears of military power, with huge phone and email monitoring capability and a wide network of informers. ....

              Recently, though, it has been the agency's turn to be on the receiving end.

              Last May suicide bombers hit an ISI office in Lahore, killing a colonel; in the tribal areas militants have killed 57 agents and wounded 86. Security is tight at the Islamabad headquarters, where last month the ISI asked its next-door neighbour – the city authority – to move to another neighbourhood.

              Influencing the local press has always been part of ISI operations, usually through bribes, blandishments or intimidation. But it rarely reached out to the foreign press, until now. ...

              The briefings, which take place about once a week, belie the agency's gritty image. ...

              Officials speak openly, but journalists expecting them to gush state secrets may be disappointed. Every talk is carefully vetted in advance. ...

              The ajar-door policy got off to a rocky start last year when the newly appointed ISI chief, Lieutenant General Shuja Pasha, told Der Spiegel that the Taliban had a right to "freedom of opinion". The agency later said he misspoke. Now, though, it is paying dividends. Two weeks ago a front page lead in the New York Times, highlighting Pakistani concerns with the US military surge in Afghanistan, was sourced from an ISI briefing. ....

              The bolder media policy is part of a wider global trend. The CIA and MI6 have always maintained relationships with selected journalists, an engagement whose importance has increased amid the furore over torture and abduction allegations. ....

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