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  • snapper
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    Libyan oil pipelines: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a5S8mQxcSe...Boil%2Bmap.gif

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  • T_igger_cs_30
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    Originally posted by Terry13 View Post
    And you think he would get some aid from muslim community... If so do you think he will be helped.. lets not discuss this topic here.. It is futile!
    Hello, not even sure what you are getting at Terry, once you have done your intro care to elaberate?

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  • Julie
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    Originally posted by Terry13 View Post
    And you think he would get some aid from muslim community... If so do you think he will be helped.. lets not discuss this topic here.. It is futile!
    Please visit our Introduction Forum and tell us a little about yourself Terry. Thanks. :)

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  • Terry13
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    And you think he would get some aid from muslim community... If so do you think he will be helped.. lets not discuss this topic here.. It is futile!

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  • T_igger_cs_30
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    Originally posted by Chogy View Post
    I have to agree with gunnut. The problem certainly isn't lack of capability, it is more an apparent lack of a coherent strategy for what will happen after pacification.

    No more Nation Building!
    Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan ................ why do you think this coherent strategy never seems to appear?

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  • Chogy
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    I have to agree with gunnut. The problem certainly isn't lack of capability, it is more an apparent lack of a coherent strategy for what will happen after pacification.

    No more Nation Building™!

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  • gunnut
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    We help the rebels take out Gaddafi...then what? There will be a dozen different factions fighting for control. The country will descend into civil war. Who will provide the peace keeping force to hold the country together? To what end? Remember, the west helps take out Gaddafi and now owns this mess. Did we not learn anything from A-stan and Iraq?

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  • dave lukins
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    Originally posted by Stitch View Post
    I can't help but think that we already have some boots on the ground in Libya, either SOF or spooks, though they're probably keeping a low-profile and just providing surveillence at this point.
    Every missile launcher, comms centre and main ammo depots etc will be marked and ready to be taken out when, and if, the word is go!

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  • Stitch
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    Originally posted by S2 View Post
    Sh!t! The C.I.A. (all twenty guys) and some special forces guys took down the taliban in a month. This would be every bit as easy. Libya is just across the lil' pond from Euroville.
    I can't help but think that we already have some boots on the ground in Libya, either SOF or spooks, though they're probably keeping a low-profile and just providing surveillence at this point.

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  • rj1
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    Originally posted by Tarek Morgen View Post
    Well there is a problem with hat. For one getting Germans to agree to any kind of combat operations is very hard. Even in the theoretical (though completely unlikely case nowadays) that Germany itself gets invaded, we would have a public debate if we have the right to fight back...
    Easiest invasion ever. :)

    Poland: Now's your chance, go for it! Denmark: You can take back Schleswig!
    Last edited by rj1; 14 Mar 11,, 18:17.

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  • gunnut
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    Originally posted by S2 View Post
    This is France's moment to unleash their independant nature. Go DO something.
    That would require a crazy woman or a short megalomaniac to lead them. How tall is Sarkozy?

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  • gunnut
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    Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
    They better move fast and decisively. Screw all this legal mumbo-jumbo stuff. If Gaddafi's forces take down the rebels, he'll appeal to his Muslim brethren to protect him against the western infidels. They'll hold their noses and comply...he'll have oil to trade for weapons. Remember Saddam.
    Sir, I don't think that would happen. Gaddafi is a pretty shrewd guy. He gave up his WMD program after seeing Saddam's fate. He knows he can be squashed like a bug. His whole job is to hold onto power and live his opulent life style. These dictators aren't driven by religious fanaticism. He may not like the west, but he likes his money and power.

    Saddam was the same, except he made a single error of daring the US to attack. Gaddafi will not make that mistake. Notice that he actually blamed al queda for the rebellion.

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  • Tarek Morgen
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    Well there is a problem with hat. For one getting Germans to agree to any kind of combat operations is very hard. Even in the theoretical (though completely unlikely case nowadays) that Germany itself gets invaded, we would have a public debate if we have the right to fight back...and even if you are able to Germany to more or less agree to any serious actions..you also want Merkel to act fast and decisive, and THAT is just not going to happen.

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  • S2
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    Tarek Morgen Reply

    Tarek,

    "France is currently pushing for a military strike, with Germany holding the brake."

    This is France's moment to unleash their independant nature. Go DO something. Same for the Italians.

    As for Germany-lead, follow or get out of the way...

    America? Not our business and we're not buying Libyan oil. That's the last thing the world needs is for us to take the lead again. Oh...,we can but time for somebody else to make the headlines.

    We'll be a part of the "coalition of the willing"...

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  • Tarek Morgen
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    France is currently pushing for a military strike, with Germany holding the brake. (For Germany to agree/take part in any such operation, a mandat from the UN or Nato would be required, otherwise it is a violation of the constitution.)

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