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  • #31
    Originally posted by Chogy View Post
    It makes complete sense to spend a couple trillion $$ and precious lives and assets to militarily secure oil worth a hundred billion dollars.

    Right? I mean, why bother simply buying the oil on the open market from Canada, Mexico, or the other OPEC nations, when you can spend 10X that amount, and then let Iraq sell the contracts to non-U.S. oil companies.

    Clear as mud.
    So why did they invade?

    Did they really think they would find "weapons of mass destruction?"

    Several intelligence agencies disagreed, and some countries (Germany, France, Norway) were strongly against the invasion.

    Norway actually had their own agents on the ground before the war, and this probably contributed to the Norwegian government deciding to stay out of it. We had our own independent sources and they did not tell the same stories as the US and UK told us. Ditto with France and Germany.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Loke View Post
      So why did they invade?

      Did they really think they would find "weapons of mass destruction?"

      Several intelligence agencies disagreed, and some countries (Germany, France, Norway) were strongly against the invasion.

      Norway actually had their own agents on the ground before the war, and this probably contributed to the Norwegian government deciding to stay out of it. We had our own independent sources and they did not tell the same stories as the US and UK told us. Ditto with France and Germany.
      Loke,

      If you have been following good Col's posts the answer is there.

      Long story short, Americans wanted Hussein gone and were blinded by their desire.
      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        We don't but we can turn the game against the Taliban and their supporters. Like I said, wait until we leave and take the gloves off the ANA.
        Unless Pakistan joins the fray. If no one else joins the fight, Pakistan will be the most powerful player and even ANA cannot stand up to PA. But if others join in such as India, Russia, China, PA would do diddly squat.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
          Unless Pakistan joins the fray. If no one else joins the fight, Pakistan will be the most powerful player and even ANA cannot stand up to PA. But if others join in such as India, Russia, China, PA would do diddly squat.
          Pakistan going to occupy Afghanistan? THIS I GOT TO SEE!!!!!!!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Pakistan going to occupy Afghanistan? THIS I GOT TO SEE!!!!!!!
            They don't need to. They just have to make sure the Taliban occupies it, or at least a part of it. Same as the last time. PA provides them weapons. The Pakistani madrassas provide the men.

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            • #36
              Pakistani supplied Taliban versus US supplied ANA. Yeah, I know who to bet on on that one.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                Pakistani supplied Taliban versus US supplied ANA. Yeah, I know who to bet on on that one.
                The whole ball game changes when PA personnel actively participates with Taliban against ANA. Remember before 9/11, the Taliban were kicking the shit out of ANA with Pakistan's help and ANA was on its knees facing its own death knell?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                  The whole ball game changes when PA personnel actively participates with Taliban against ANA. Remember before 9/11, the Taliban were kicking the shit out of ANA with Pakistan's help and ANA was on its knees facing its own death knell?
                  Think you missed a few things here. The ANA was gone by the time the Taliban arrived. It had disintegrated into warlord armies with two of them siding with the Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliance was able to drive the Taliban back and had in fact gained momentum into the offensive.

                  The old ANA was finally destroyed when Yeltsin refused to give fuel and ammunition to Kabul.

                  The lesson here is that if the US don't stop spending money, the new ANA won't stop the slaughter.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                    The whole ball game changes when PA personnel actively participates with Taliban against ANA. Remember before 9/11, the Taliban were kicking the shit out of ANA with Pakistan's help and ANA was on its knees facing its own death knell?
                    Actually, no. The old ANA was kicking the shit out of the Mujahideen long after the Soviets left. Hell, for a brief while, they even started to gain more ground against the Mujahideen than the Soviets did. It was only after the Russians cut off supplies to the ANA that they started running dry and disintegrating.
                    Last edited by Tronic; 10 Apr 13,, 01:27.
                    Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                    -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tronic View Post
                      Actually, no. The old ANA was kicking the shit out of the Mujahideen long after the Soviets left. Hell, for a brief while, they even started to gain more ground against the Mujahideen than the Soviets did. It was only after the Russians cut off supplies to the ANA that they started running dry and disintegrating.
                      You didn't read the last part. Taliban started winning when PA started actively participating in the civil war. There were thousands of PA troops wearing the color of Taliban and directing and coordinating against Northern Alliance troops. How did you think Taliban became so effective against battle hardened ANA commanders such as Masoud?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                        You didn't read the last part. Taliban started winning when PA started actively participating in the civil war. There were thousands of PA troops wearing the color of Taliban and directing and coordinating against Northern Alliance troops. How did you think Taliban became so effective against battle hardened ANA commanders such as Masoud?
                        You missed OoE's post. There was no ANA fighting Taliban. Massoud was not an ANA commander. Northern Alliance was not the old ANA. Two totally different groups. The old ANA was actually fighting against both, Massoud, and the fathers of the Taliban... and kicking both their arse.

                        Pakistani manned and supplied Taliban did not overrun the old Afghan army... they overran fractured, warlord-led militias.
                        Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          The old ANA was finally destroyed when Yeltsin refused to give fuel and ammunition to Kabul.
                          Btw, Yeltsin did it by US government demand.
                          Winter is coming.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                            Loke,

                            If you have been following good Col's posts the answer is there.

                            Long story short, Americans wanted Hussein gone and were blinded by their desire.
                            It was always clear that they wanted Hussein gone.

                            I am sorry for being terribly slow, but I did not get why they wanted Hussein gone?

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                            • #44
                              Namely because Saddam could not be trusted with the knowledge on how 11 Sept was done, not after how he tried to assassinate George Bush Sr.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                                Unless Pakistan joins the fray. If no one else joins the fight, Pakistan will be the most powerful player and even ANA cannot stand up to PA. But if others join in such as India, Russia, China, PA would do diddly squat.
                                But which Pakistan are we talking about? If Musharaf comes back into the frey, with US support, and co-operation regarding drone operations coupled with removal of costly and ineffective ground operations, the strategy of suppressing Al-Quaeda which was the main objective from the beginning will be reached with a significant decrease in resources expended.


                                If you look at the Obama administrations pattern, that seems the likely course of action.

                                Al-Qaeda and other competitors know our weakness, which is our wallets, they dragged us into a long and costly war. And it took us way to long to respond.

                                Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                                Namely because Saddam could not be trusted with the knowledge on how 11 Sept was done, not after how he tried to assassinate George Bush Sr.
                                I still think its a bit naive to say fossil fuels are not a big part of it. None of us really know the internal petro-politics that dictates the global oil markets, but even unclassified reports allude to an overall strategy in securing what is left in the region, and helping the GCC which is really part of "the West".
                                One cannot but examine it.

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