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  • Bigfella
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    Originally posted by snapper View Post
    Or it's another Ryazan type job to give them the excuse to crack down on 'extremists' within Muscovy. No matter what the Russian people suffer.
    If that was the case then a domestic event would make way more sense. Doesn't mean he won't try to pin it on local groups.

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  • Versus
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    If the West and Russia hate each other so much, planet earth is mostly water, why don't you both take your fleets and fight there and leave rest of us to live our ordinary lives? Sure, there will be a lot of dead fish and green peace will brag, but that is acceptable.

    You know, like a gentlemen in the olden days, two guns one bullet in each and to the woods, far away from civilization.
    Last edited by Versus; 06 Nov 15,, 09:32.

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  • Versus
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    Originally posted by citanon View Post
    That's not what Russia is saying publicly Versus. They are still slow to come around to the idea that it was a bomb.

    Vladimir Putin is more ruthless than you think and in a way that you don't quite understand. He doesn't care about foreign lives, but he also doesn't care about Russian ones. He is unlikely to be moved by the emotional impact of an event like this. In fact, this is rather inconvenient for him as if this was indeed a bomb by IS then he will either have to deepen Russian military involvement in Syria in a way that may not be beneficial, or have to direct more of his limited military capabilities towards attacking IS instead of supporting Assad, which is also counterproductive in his calculus.

    Thus, he will do his utmost to explore other possibilities of this not being a bomb.
    Failing that, he will try to cast suspicion on people he wants to fight (eg the moderate rebels) in order to dissipate political pressure for acting against IS.
    Failing that, he will marginally increase operations against IS for a limited duration before going back to his main tack.
    In addition to that, he will also find a way to blame non-cooperativity from the US and the West for the failure to prevent the bombing and the inability to retaliate adequately.

    There is also the possibility that he will find some more creatively devious way of exploiting this, so we will see.
    There is no room for mercy or emotions in the geopolitics and geo strategy, so Putin is not an exception. Just like the US (UK) and West, there is no difference in behavior when it comes to these agendas. We know that first hand. Personally I like the saying from the olden days, that proved to be truthful but too ugly for my countrymen to accept it. Often they would say that "there is only God and Russia for us" but I like the reply to that saying which goes something like this, "God is high and Russia is far way" .
    My general stance on this is unchanged, as I still see this situation as an energy war or scramble to get the crumbs that were left from the oil age and I still think that it is an exercise in futility.
    Both the West and the Russia are fighting on a train that is going towards cliff and the engine is out of fuel and the driver died a long time ago, so there is no one to pull the breaks. They are fighting over the control of the train, totally disregarding the fact that both of them don't know how to drive the train. Egoistic, selfish and narcissistic to the bone.
    Last edited by Versus; 06 Nov 15,, 09:11.

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  • citanon
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    Latest summary of the evidence either way:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/middle...-what-we-know/

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  • snapper
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    Or it's another Ryazan type job to give them the excuse to crack down on 'extremists' within Muscovy. No matter what the Russian people suffer.

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  • citanon
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    Originally posted by Versus View Post
    It was a media spin, but Russians are pretty angry so escalation is inevitable. Let me see if I can get the links.

    This one is with google translate, (which is funny as hell)

    http://translate.google.com/translat...ona-na-sinaju/

    and the BBC, that doesn't need translation

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34728901

    I am still searching for the tac nukes...
    That's not what Russia is saying publicly Versus. They are still slow to come around to the idea that it was a bomb.

    Vladimir Putin is more ruthless than you think and in a way that you don't quite understand. He doesn't care about foreign lives, but he also doesn't care about Russian ones. He is unlikely to be moved by the emotional impact of an event like this. In fact, this is rather inconvenient for him as if this was indeed a bomb by IS then he will either have to deepen Russian military involvement in Syria in a way that may not be beneficial, or have to direct more of his limited military capabilities towards attacking IS instead of supporting Assad, which is also counterproductive in his calculus.

    Thus, he will do his utmost to explore other possibilities of this not being a bomb.
    Failing that, he will try to cast suspicion on people he wants to fight (eg the moderate rebels) in order to dissipate political pressure for acting against IS.
    Failing that, he will marginally increase operations against IS for a limited duration before going back to his main tack.
    In addition to that, he will also find a way to blame non-cooperativity from the US and the West for the failure to prevent the bombing and the inability to retaliate adequately.

    There is also the possibility that he will find some more creatively devious way of exploiting this, so we will see.

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  • citanon
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    Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
    Hyperbole so far. A heat flash recorded on satellites? What the hell do they think fuel tanks exploding on impact would produce, an ice cream? Somebody in the west is playing mind games with the Russians
    Apparently, a little toddler who died in the crash was found 21 miles away from the crash site. This would indicate an early breakup of parts of the plane, increasing suspicions for a bomb.

    Also, US intelligence intercepted communications in the Sinai that indicated a significant event was about to go down.

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  • Parihaka
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    Hyperbole so far. A heat flash recorded on satellites? What the hell do they think fuel tanks exploding on impact would produce, an ice cream? Somebody in the west is playing mind games with the Russians

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  • lemontree
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    Media reports are emerging that the Russian airliner was downed by an onboard bomb. It has been a very long time since something like this happened. Scary....

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  • Versus
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    Ah of course, election spin offs...Saudis are here today for some business talks as it was announced before.
    http://mtt.gov.rs/en/releases-and-an...been-arranged/

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  • Versus
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    Nah, the news was gone in like 3 seconds. But the amount of media spin here is mind boggling...it makes me sick.

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  • Versus
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    It was a media spin, but Russians are pretty angry so escalation is inevitable. Let me see if I can get the links.

    This one is with google translate, (which is funny as hell)

    http://translate.google.com/translat...ona-na-sinaju/

    and the BBC, that doesn't need translation

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34728901

    I am still searching for the tac nukes...
    Last edited by Versus; 05 Nov 15,, 08:17.

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  • Versus
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Links?
    I just woke up, give me a minute to come to my senses. I am following pro Russian media here, pro Western will come after I finish my coffee. It takes time to cross reference all that :)
    Last edited by Versus; 05 Nov 15,, 07:49.

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  • Doktor
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    Links?

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  • Versus
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    Originally posted by citanon View Post
    There are also F22s there.
    So everything is ready for a party? Latest news is that Russian intelligence is pretty sure that the bomb was on a plane and that Saudi Arabia is involved. Also there is an unconfirmed chatter about usage of tactical nukes as a mean of retaliation. This thing gets better by the minute.

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