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  • Thankfully, real strategists are a quite a bit more forward thinking.
    Yes because as soon as he is done Assad will chuck S-300s into Israel. Well by God he should just wait until he is done with the rebels, get the S-300s, then kill Israelis with them...

    If any "real strategist"tm thinks that is Assad's plan then they are meth smoking stupid.
    Last edited by troung; 01 Jun 13,, 21:19.
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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    • Originally posted by troung View Post
      Yes because as soon as he is done Assad will chuck S-300s into Israel. Well by God he should just wait until he is done with the rebels, get the S-300s, then kill Israelis with them...

      If any "real strategist"tm thinks that is Assad's plan then they are meth smoking stupid.
      Real strategists don't shout their reasons in public.The S300,particularly with Russian crews,can prevent outsiders prolonging the war.And keeing the war going might be the real objective,at the moment.
      Saudi Arabia-they smacked Assad and Iran over their head.Their idiots willing to fight an apostate regime go to Syria and die.Fewer troublemakers 2-3 years from now.Same with Gulf countries.Added benefit-Iran is busy.
      Jordan-Whose the best pal,the best governed and a good friend of the West?Same with the rest,if the war goes on,their idiots die or calm the fvck down.Plus,there's less support in the street for a war,since everyone can see what war does to a home.War in Syria can be a detterence,while the easy thing in Egypt and the fairly quick one in Libya could have encouraged idiots to rise.
      Israel-Arabs killing each other.Why stop them?Encourage them by all means to carry on.

      Turkey-with a war in hood and the Americans out,whose suddenly a really big player?
      Iraq-every former Sunni insurgent and his brother crosses the border into Syria.The Iraqi and Syrian rebels even joined forces at least once to attack a crossing point manned by both Iraqi and syrian border troops.

      The only ones right now with a real interest for this crap to end as quick as possible are the Syrian people(whose opinion at this point doesn't matter),Assad and his foreign allies.
      Those who know don't speak
      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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      • Real strategists don't shout their reasons in public.The S300,particularly with Russian crews,can prevent outsiders prolonging the war.And keeing the war going might be the real objective,at the moment.
        My point was it has nothing to do with "Slobadan-Assad-Saddam-Hitler" planning to S300 some Israeli airliners after the conflict.
        Last edited by troung; 01 Jun 13,, 22:28.
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        • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
          Destroying one batch is an invitation for another.And as AM said,if you annoy the russians too much,you might end with Iran getting their missiles.

          Bibi may be a hard one,but Vlad doesn't takes threats easily.
          Putin is playing a lot of different games:

          Analysis: Israel could swoop on S-300 missiles in Syria, but with risks | Reuters

          Bottom line, he might be "selling" the S300, but he's taking his sweet time. In the meanwhile, there are deals to be made, and he's reminded everyone that he's still here, and has to be answered to.
          Last edited by citanon; 01 Jun 13,, 22:59.

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          • Russia to deliver 10 MiGs on top of 6 S-300s.

            Reports: Russian fighter jets head to Syria, which asks for more - CNN.com
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • Rockets from Syria hit Hezbollah stronghold
              Beirut - June 1, 2013

              Eighteen rockets and mortars rounds from Syria slammed into Lebanon on Saturday, the largest cross-border salvo to hit a Hezbollah stronghold since Syrian rebels threatened to retaliate for the Lebanese militant group's armed support of Syrian President Bashar Assad. The rockets targeted the Baalbek region, the latest sign that Syria's civil war is increasingly destabilizing Lebanon. On Friday, the Lebanese parliament decided to put off general elections, originally scheduled for June, by 17 months, blaming a deteriorating security situation in the country.
              Source: ABC News

              A perennial sectarian tinderbox, Lebanon is again beginnig to unravel.
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              • Originally posted by troung View Post
                My point was it has nothing to do with "Slobadan-Assad-Saddam-Hitler" planning to S300 some Israeli airliners after the conflict.
                Agreed
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • Originally posted by troung View Post
                  If any "real strategist"tm thinks that is Assad's plan then they are meth smoking stupid.
                  Usage is not always required to establish either threat or efficacy. Simple possession of a particular platform is sufficient enough to initiate countermeasures.

                  The Cuban Missile Crisis is the most celebrated exemplar of this strategic doctrine.

                  Smoking meth is hardly required to fathom this calculus. In essence, positive battle-space management is a security requisite.
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                  • Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                    Usage is not always required to establish either threat or efficacy. Simple possession of a particular platform is sufficient enough to initiate countermeasures.

                    The Cuban Missile Crisis is the most celebrated exemplar of this strategic doctrine.

                    Smoking meth is hardly required to fathom this calculus. In essence, positive battle-space management is a security requisite.
                    The only problem with this is you risk too much for too little gain.You can try to take out the missiles later,when/if they are a threat of sorts.Doing anything now guarantees Russian reprisals of sorts and basically escalates the whole affair.
                    Those who know don't speak
                    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                    • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                      The only problem with this is you risk too much for too little gain.You can try to take out the missiles later,when/if they are a threat of sorts.Doing anything now guarantees Russian reprisals of sorts and basically escalates the whole affair.
                      Granted. At this juncture it is a moot point. The Russians say 2014. At any rate, we'll know if/when they ever get there.
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                      • Originally posted by troung View Post
                        This is not going to end with an election.
                        I never said it would, not the current conflict at least. If I wasn't clear, what I meant by a 'transition to a democratic process' was something more along the lines of a 'Qatari model', with incremental steps towards eventual elections at the local, regional and eventually national level, with the latter possibly not even occurring during Assad's lifetime.
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                        • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                          This conflict began by a bunch of kids defacing Syriatel's offices. Then there were people demonstrating peacefully about hardships in the country. The regime botched its reponse and the rest as they say is history.
                          Assad 'botched his response' but so did the Chinese and, recently, the Bahrainis, in cracking down on dissenters - the difference is that the Syrian regime's botched response was met with an flow of weapons and diplomatic support from anti-Shia/Iran Arab nations who exacerbated the conflict, much as India did with the 'botched Pakistani response' to the unrest in East Pakistan. My point is that the violence would not have risen to the levels we see currently had foreign intervention in support of the rebels not taken place.
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                          • Usage is not always required to establish either threat or efficacy. Simple possession of a particular platform is sufficient enough to initiate countermeasures. The Cuban Missile Crisis is the most celebrated exemplar of this strategic doctrine. Smoking meth is hardly required to fathom this calculus. In essence, positive battle-space management is a security requisite.
                            Soviet nukes aimed at cities vs. Syrian SAMs aimed at IDF/AF warplanes - they should put the pipe down. This has zero to do with Syria S300ing a civilian airliner. It's just that certain people think that repeating that mindless crap sounds better then saying "we don't want them to be able to shoot back at our planes when we launch random attacks on them."

                            I never said it would, not the current conflict at least. If I wasn't clear, what I meant by a 'transition to a democratic process' was something more along the lines of a 'Qatari model', with incremental steps towards eventual elections at the local, regional and eventually national level, with the latter possibly not even occurring during Assad's lifetime.
                            "Not even during his lifetime" - not likely in mine either.
                            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                            • The ongoing campaign in Homs province has seen some semblance of the operational art on part of the SAA.Also some new gear,like drones,firefinder radars and some decent armor-infantry cooperation.
                              I recall a debate on WAB from 2 years or so,about the role of armor in modern urban warfare.I may be Lt Obvious,but it clearly works great in isolating cities.Syrian infantry doesn't looks better than third rate,but they fight some of the dumbest foes on the planet.It seems they have some reasonable C4I2 and that's likely their biggest advantage.The rebels seem to have nothing of this sort.
                              Those who know don't speak
                              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                              • Originally posted by troung View Post
                                Soviet nukes aimed at cities vs. Syrian SAMs aimed at IDF/AF warplanes - they should put the pipe down. This has zero to do with Syria S300ing a civilian airliner. It's just that certain people think that repeating that mindless crap sounds better then saying "we don't want them to be able to shoot back at our planes when we launch random attacks on them."
                                Troung,
                                Would you be willing to bear responsibility if the hardware was used against against Israeli civilians? Would you be willing to pledge your life or the life of your loved ones for the life of an Israeli that would be maimed by Syrian by this hardware?

                                Even if say shooting civilian aircraft is a moot point, the immediate tangible effect of the S300 is that Syria, as it has now openly pledged, will freely transfer devastating weaponry to a terrorist organisation without any fear or repercussions. Russia knows very well that the S300 would not stop the US if the decision was made to go in, so clearly this is pointed at Israel which then begs the question: is Russia in favour of arming a terrorist Hezballah?
                                Last edited by Zinja; 03 Jun 13,, 01:05.

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