Palestinians Want To Declare Statehood, But They Don't Even Have Unified Leadership

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Hamas-Fatah deal at impasse

Hamas-Fatah deal at impasse

Mahmoud al-Zahar says Gaza-Ramallah reconciliation efforts stuck over structure of government bodies
Elior Levy

Senior Hamas member Mahmoud al-Zahar said Tuesday that the reconciliation efforts between his organization and Fatah have come to a dead end.


According to al-Zahar, the bone of contention revolves around the structure of the PLO, government and legislative council.



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Al-Zahar also denied reports stating that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Hamas Politburo Chief Khaled Mashaal traveled to Turkey last week in order to resolve their differences.


In an interview with Jordanian newspaper al-Dustur, al-Zahar blamed Fatah for "taking actions opposite to what was agreed upon."


Fatah, he added, is trying to unilaterally impose facts on the ground and "If this continues, we will unable to form a unity government."


The reconciliation between the rival Gaza factions has made the West very uncomfortable, as Hamas is included in every major international terror watch list.


Despite statements to the contrary, Fatah and Hamas have been unable to bridge any political gap which would see a unity government come to fruition.


One of the major hurdles is the decision on the new Palestinian premier: Fatah would like to see current Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad named for the position, while Hamas naturally prefers Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh in the seat.


On Monday, the Arab media reported the Egypt had suggested naming Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for the position, along with two deputies – one based in Gaza and one based in Ramallah.


Elior Levy is Ynet's Palestinian affairs correspondent

Bring on September! Best of luck to ya!

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Perhpas they will say it's two states? A 'three state solution'

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I wonder how the Grossen Funf would vote and also Bric nations. Of course the Muslim countries would support statehood.

I think Singapore would abstain. As far as India is concerned, the country is ruled by pseudo secularist Congress which gladly stoops to vote bank politics WRT Muslims and the next elections is in 2012....

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Palestinians Want To Declare Statehood, But They Don't Even Have Unified Leadership

They are unified in their desire to have their right to self determination fulfilled. Is it not enough? Or do they have to agree on everything first?

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Having a unified decision on who's going to run this new state of their would be a start, or else it will quickly develop into another civil war, a rehash of the Hamas-Fatah clashes.

Or are you so entrenched in your "the Palestinians can do no wrong" complex that this simple bit of common sense and logic is lost on you?

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Or are you so entrenched in your "the Palestinians can do no wrong" complex that this simple bit of common sense and logic is lost on you?

It's not lost on me. But without US-Israeli plots to overthrow democracy in Palestine, I suspect they will be fine.

There are only so many extreme preconditions that can be placed on Palestinian rights before it just becomes silly.

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You truly believe your own shite, don't you? Do you have any proof at all that the US/Israel us behind Hamas and Fatah's deal not working out? Aside from the fact that both sides, along with many others, have condemned the deal and said it harms any attempts at peace?

Knowing who's going to lead the new state is not an extreme precondition. The fact that you would call it that points to your willing ignorance

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Having a unified decision on who's going to run this new state of their would be a start, or else it will quickly develop into another civil war, a rehash of the Hamas-Fatah clashes.

Or are you so entrenched in your "the Palestinians can do no wrong" complex that this simple bit of common sense and logic is lost on you?

I tend to agree with agree you on this BUT you must accept that there are two political parties within Palestinian politics. This is normal in a democracy no? Yes I grant that one 'party' is classed as a terrorist organisation - Sinn Fein were once banned here - and that the two Palestian parties do not always argue in the normal democratic manner. However to insist on a Unified Palestinian Government before you will talk to them is perhaps unrealistic. Ay the end to any war one part of a population will not agree (Germany after Versailles etc). If you are being realistic you must support the part of the Government that agrees to any peace against the other part that doesn't. This is just time honoured tactics and nothing new.

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I don't demand to talk to a unified Palestinian government (in this case. We're not talking about peace negotiations). What I do demand is that they should decide who's going to lead this new state of theirs, or it will turn into another civil war.

I'd recommend elections to decide who's going to lead, but Abbas hasn't held elections since he was voted into office and has finished his term long ago. Even a Hamas unity government would be better in this case, we'd at least know who we're dealing with

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Do you have any proof at all that the US/Israel us behind Hamas and Fatah's deal not working out?

Apologies, I sometimes forget what is and isn't common knowledge. The "proof" is in some very fine investigative journalism, based on leaked US documents. It's available here.

Knowing who's going to lead the new state is not an extreme precondition.

Do they have to inform the Israeli leadership who will lead them? Does Israel get a veto? Or can it be left up to elections?

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No, but last time they held elections it developed into a civil war, and the two parties themselves have stated that they are not willing to work with the other side. What's to stop that from happening again? Believe it or not, while a civil war would be great for Israel and showing the world that neither of the parties can run a state, I am not so bloodthirsty that I desire the death of Palestinian civilians in Hamas-Fatah power plays

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By the way, your link is irrelevant. I'm asking if you have any proof at all that the US/Israel us behind Hamas and Fatah's unity deal from a couple months ago not working out? A article from 2008 is absolutely worthless regarding something that happened in 2011

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By the way, your link is irrelevant. I'm asking if you have any proof at all that the US/Israel us behind Hamas and Fatah's unity deal from a couple months ago not working out? A article from 2008 is absolutely worthless regarding something that happened in 2011

Apologies, I thought you were asking about the US-Israeli plot to overthrow democracy in 2007. My bad.

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Apologies, I thought you were asking about the US-Israeli plot to overthrow democracy in 2007. My bad.

Moreover, after reading that article, I see no Israeli involvement whatsoever. I see plenty US involvement, though. Don't go dragging us in shit we didn't do

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Clearly Gentlemen both of you are wrong. Neither side is whiter than white and both sides have done terrible things to the other. The problem remains that this is an Israeli and an Englishman discussing - where are Palestinians? Oh they don't have a state? bigross86 would it be advantageous to Israel to give Palestine a state? Caveats you may add but pls answer the question yes or no.