Israeli forces open fire at Palestinian protesters

[Mohammad BF]

First of all, the IDF needs to be commended for quick thinking on the local commander's part. He ordered his forces to act with much restraint, and when they finally needed to open fire, they shot in the air or at knee level to try and keep people from crossing the fence. The fact that people died is regrettable, but don't forget that these protestors crossed a live minefield and started tearing down the fence on an international border.

They were weaponless, why using weapons against them.

and by the way, you are lying about tearing the fence.

So now, ask yourself the following question: Like Netanyahu said last night, if the Palestinian people can't control themselves one day a year, how do you expect them to govern an entire country on their own? The Palestinian leaders do not desire peace. They don't desire a two-state solution. They desire the complete and total destruction of Israel and yesterday they once again proclaimed their statements for the world to hear.

well, we can control ourselves, But not while israelis forces killing us.

Did you ever think that it would end like this.

Two countrys? Really?
it is our country, we have the right to to regain it.
you Israelis stole it from us and we will never forget that.
this is our country all palestine is our property!!

Very well. The first thing you need to know is that an almost complete majority of the Palestinians were not deported out of Israel. They left voluntarily based on orders from the Arab High Command, saying it would make it easier to wipe out all the Jews.

do they had any choice?
do you think they were living a good life in there villages?
do you know what was happening to them every day?

well, the answer for all these question is,
can anybody live in a place that gets Broken into and every day?

thats what israelis forces was doing.

ahh wait and what if the people in that house didn't looks good to them? simply they shot all the family and like nothing happened.

I am confused about calling a bunch of people who attack military units "civilians" - stupid, poorly armed partisans I could understand.

They were weaponless, they didn't have any weapon!

Get the Fire Hoses out, dont know many rock throwers that can stand up to 3000 psi of H20

Very Funny.

First of all, it's a given that when a guerrilla/insurgent/terrorist force goes up against a well equipped and trained army, the army will win. Second of all, Israel has never really had good image and sympathy from the rest of the world, except for maybe in 1948. The problem is that A: Israel tries to be the decent player out of the two. Therefore, we're much easier to criticize. B: The Arabs have oil. Shit tons of oil. C: It's a lot easier to be the victim, and therefore the Palestinians have the advantage in the PR battle.

about the (guerrilla/insurgent/terrorist force) section,
I dont know why you israeli keep calling us(the palestinians) terrorists, its not us who used a Weapons that is globally forbidden, the white Phosphorus for example.
don't you know what is the (White Phosphorus) Effects see for yourself: White Phosphorus

well, from what we seen in Gaza israeli is the one who should be called terrorists, want a prove? here is it: Israeli terrorists

lets get to the (PR battle) section,
well, if what you are saying are true, then why the U.S keep giving you support.

if what you are saying are true, then why arabs army got the worst weapons that have made in history.

if what you are saying are true, then why don't the U.S give us support why don't they help us against you why the keep support you israelis, to kill us?

did you said that Israel tries to be the decent player?
yes yes, decent.

about the oil,
as Doktor mentioned Palestine, syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt all of them don't have a one Drop of oil.

well, you say that Palestinians have the PR advantage Right?
ok, let me remeber you.
Israeli is the one's Who Conquered us.

Nobody likes pussies. Everyone goes with the victor. Back in the days I remember people seing IDF and Mossad like some ultra-capable organizations that can turn ME upside down in 5 minutes. Don't see that now. Why? Because both care more for the PR, rather then for the mission. When I see the news I have a feeling it will be the same if IDF killed 14k rather then 14 "civilians" It would've been the same news, everyone will forget two days later. Georgia comes to my mind as typical role model for my claims. Do you remember how many civilians died there? I don't. I remember only Russians rolling over Georgia.

are you trying to tell him, Kill more of us?
don't you think that the people who died already enough?

[zraver]

Two countrys? Really?
it is our country, we have the right to to regain it.
you Israelis stole it from us and we will never forget that.
this is our country all palestine is our property!!

No its not, the land prior to 1948 was purchased. During the war the land was seized from agressors- your forefathers. Your greivances are post 1967 only.

Now go introduce yourself, read the rules and the wabbit survival guide.

A word of warning- Palestinians are not terrorists but Hamas is. Supporting palestine is fine, supporting Hamas or other groups along the same lines is a bannable offense

[Mohammad BF]

No its not, the land prior to 1948 was purchased. During the war the land was seized from agressors- your forefathers. Your greivances are post 1967 only.

What do you mean by (purchased)?

Our grievances did posted from the first day when the first israeli put his foot in our country.

[zraver]

What do you mean by (purchased)?

Our grievances did posted from the first day when the first israeli put his foot in our country.

Meaning Jews with money traded it to those who had deed for the land for said deed. Your grievances where they are legit stem from 1967 not before. its your peoples own damn fault for falling for King Hussein, King Faurouk and Grand Mufti Al- Husseini twisted visions or desire for power. The world gave you a country and you gave it away to despots and madmen.

If you stick around here your going to learn a lot if your willing to learn. The pap both sides of the issue tell themselves is the truth doesn't fly here.

Also I suggest you drop the racism, probably less than a third of the population of Palestinians can trace an ancestor to the area west of the Jordan and South of the Litani before the building of a railroad by the Ottomans and Ottoman invited investment and immigration of Zionists. The vast majority of Palestinians are recent arrivals who were there no longer than the majority of the Jews.

Oh, and if you didn't know the land of Palestine/Israel has never been free of Jews since the emergence of that religion thousands of years ago. Jews as well as Arabs live there and the only solution is an equitable peace.

[Mirko R]

So let me ask you a question: Are you willing to listen to facts and the truth, or take what you read in an article that's highly slanted against Israel for granted?

So, let's begin: Yes, the IDF shot some protestors yesterday. Last I've read is that 3 people died. Yes, the IDF did drop the ball yesterday and not have enough forces available at first to deal with the problem.

However:

First of all, the IDF needs to be commended for quick thinking on the local commander's part. He ordered his forces to act with much restraint, and when they finally needed to open fire, they shot in the air or at knee level to try and keep people from crossing the fence. The fact that people died is regrettable, but don't forget that these protestors crossed a live minefield and started tearing down the fence on an international border.

By all rights, the IDF could have done the same thing the Lebanese army did and shoot to kill. These people were trying to illegally cross an international border of a country that is extremely hostile to us, if not at war with us, still. The IDF could have employed marksmen and taken shot after shot towards center mass. After the first couple dozen died, the rest might have gotten the message. However, the IDF instead decided to go against it's better judgment, do everything possible to avoid casualties and is still lambasted in the world press.

So now, ask yourself the following question: Like Netanyahu said last night, if the Palestinian people can't control themselves one day a year, how do you expect them to govern an entire country on their own? The Palestinian leaders do not desire peace. They don't desire a two-state solution. They desire the complete and total destruction of Israel and yesterday they once again proclaimed their statements for the world to hear.

First of all, I would like to begin by saying that I agree with you, the IDF did what it had to do...THIS TIME. But this problem did not originate with these protesters, this problem has been going on for the last 80 years, and you have to understand that the IDF has made offenses against Palestinians - against human rights - in the past, and those actions have consequences. Jordan is now 75% Palestinian because of all the refugees forced from there homes from the fighting in Israel/Palestine, this makes Jordan angry. If those people had a right to return Jordan would not be angry, and Jordan is not the only place Palestinians had to go when they were displaced, they went to Lebanon and Syria too, and there they were treated just as bad and with their mass immigration changed the society just as much. Now Syria, Lebanon and Jordan are mad, mad at Palestinians for comming and at Israel for not letting them return so that everyone can get back to normal living. Every action has repercussions, Israel is now facing the repercussions of their past actions. The solution is not to mow people down, because guess what, the actions of Israel have effected a lot of people in the region and they will keep comming, the solution is to look at the bigger picture. Violence breads violence, oppression breads oppression, and war breads war. Now Israel has to deal with the people it made angry over the last generations, the way to deal with that is to make sure that they do not keep angering those people or they will have to keep dealing with them. So if it really is regretable to you that people died, don't you think you should try to make sure it doesn't happen again in the future? Every next person you kill will anger more people the repercussions might not show themselves now, but god forbid it costs the lives of innocent people, be them Israeli or Palestinian, because that would be a crime against humanity.

Sorry if what I say is unclear. I am very tired.

Now to address the point about how Palestinians can not govern themselves if they can not control themselves one day a year: That year had big repercussions for them, and some of those people who were displaced were still alive. I know what it is to lose one's country and land, though I was very young when it happened to me I will never forget it. Neither will these people. In my country we have a battle commemorating the day we lost Kosovo. That was in 1389, but we still celebrate and mourn. There was a curse placed on everyone who did not fight at that battle that they may never reach happiness in their life. It is very hard to be happy if you have no homeland, and these people had that taken from them, not all those people who were kicked out took up arms against Israel, yet they were treated inhumanely and denied the right of return, which is provided by international law. It turned their lives upside down you can not expect them not to be angry. Like you say sometimes force is needed but regretable, that is the way they see it too, they lost their homeland they will do anything to get it back, if you were in their position you would do the same. There is nothing inherent about Palestinians or Muslims or anyone else that makes them more able or less able to govern themselves we are all people we all have the same flaws there are good and bad, responsible and irresponsible, smart and dumb people of every ethnicity, nationality, and religion. Do not be so ignorant to think otherwise.