2023 Israeli-Gazan War

[Ironduke]

Hamas and affiliated groups have achieved completed tactical surprise in penetrating the border barrier at several locations, taking several Israeli villages/towns near Gaza, taking hostages, and firing 2200 rockets into Israel.

Looks like there's another full-blown Israeli-Gazan war now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...-east-67037895

[statquo]

Watching on Al Jazeera live and an Israeli missile strike hit the building directly behind the correspondent. Holy shit!

Quite brazen offensive by the Palestinians.

[TopHatter]

Yom Kippur 2.0

The Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies are gonna get reamed, gutted and boned after the dust settles.

[InExile]

What is Hamas hoping to achieve? Obviously they know that such a major attack will prompt an even harsher retaliation. They don't care about the lives of their own citizens, even if thousands are killed. There are some suggestions that this was done with the backing of Iran to derail the Saudi-Israel deal.

[Albany Rifles]

Yom Kippur 2.0

The Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies are gonna get reamed, gutted and boned after the dust settles.

Well deserved in my opinion. :Listened to reports on NPR that the Palestinians did everything by courier and cut outs...which hampered Israeli, and for that matter US, tech centric Intel Agencies.

Humint still matters. And if you have been looking on Twitter you realize the lessons of UKR have been learned...a lot of talk of Palestinian uses of drones/

[Albany Rifles]

What is Hamas hoping to achieve? Obviously they know that such a major attack will prompt an even harsher retaliation. They don't care about the lives of their own citizens, even if thousands are killed. There are some suggestions that this was done with the backing of Iran to derail the Saudi-Israel deal.

I think the Saudi-Israel normalization is central to these attacks.

A normalization there may be the first domino to fall which will a) sideline further normalization and b) and hinder Iran's goals in the area.

[Albany Rifles]

Yom Kippur 2.0

The Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies are gonna get reamed, gutted and boned after the dust settles.

I saw Charlie Pierce called it Tet 34. To some of us this really hits home at a much deeper, visceral level having lived through Tet 68

[statquo]

Hamas spokesperson said they had the backing of Iran and “other countries” helped them in support.

I like the Tet comparison. Pretty amazing they caught the Israelis with their pants down this badly.

[TopHatter]

What is Hamas hoping to achieve? Obviously they know that such a major attack will prompt an even harsher retaliation. They don't care about the lives of their own citizens, even if thousands are killed. There are some suggestions that this was done with the backing of Iran to derail the Saudi-Israel deal.

Trying to make Gaza untenable for the Israel, would be my guess.

[santosh10]

JERUSALEM (AP) — Backed by a barrage of rockets, dozens of Hamas militants broke out of the blockaded Gaza Strip and into nearby Israeli towns, killing dozens and abducting others in an unprecedented surprise early morning attack during a major Jewish holiday Saturday. A stunned Israel launched airstrikes in Gaza, with its prime minister saying the country is now at war with Hamas and vowing to inflict an “unprecedented price.”

In an assault of startling breadth, Hamas gunmen rolled into as many as 22 locations outside the Gaza Strip, including towns and other communities as far as 15 miles (24 kilometers) from the Gaza border. In some places, they roamed for hours, gunning down civilians and soldiers as Israel’s military scrambled to muster a response. Gunbattles continued well after nightfall, and militants held hostages in standoffs in two towns and occupied a police station in a third.

Israeli media, citing rescue service officials, said at least 250 people were killed and 1,500 wounded, making it the deadliest attack in Israel in decades. At least 232 people in the Gaza Strip have been killed and at least 1,700 wounded in Israeli strikes, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. Hamas fighters took an unknown number of civilians and soldiers captive into Gaza, a deeply sensitive issue for Israel, in harrowing scenes posted on social media videos.

Hamas surprise attack out of Gaza stuns Israel and leaves hundreds dead in fighting, retaliation | AP News

[santosh10]

Israel says it is 'at war' after Hamas surprise attack

• Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel is "at war" after Gaza militants launched a surprise attack Saturday morning, firing thousands of rockets and entering Israel by land, sea and air using paragliders.
• At least 200 people have died and hundreds of others are wounded in Israel, officials said. Fighting carried through the day, and a fresh round of rocket attacks hit Tel Aviv and other areas on Saturday evening.
• In Gaza, at least 232 Palestinians have died and more than 1,600 are wounded, the Palestinian health ministry said. Israel launched air strikes on the territory while its forces clashed on the ground with Hamas fighters.
• Hamas claims it has captured dozens of Israelis, including soldiers, and videos authenticated by CNN show some of the dramatic seizures. Israel's military has acknowledged hostages were taken.

Live updates: Israel-Gaza conflict erupts into fighting after attack by Palestinian militants (cnn.com)

[santosh10]

Iran and Qatar backed militant group Hamas' attacks on Israel on Saturday. Meanwhile, Pakistan said that a 'two-state solution is key to Middle East peace'.

Iran and Qatar backed the attacks on Israel by Hamas militants on Saturday, saying that the strikes were "proof of the Palestinians' increased confidence in the face of Israel".

Former Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif hinted at support for the Hamas group in the ongoing conflict, saying that he was "not surprised" at today's events.

Iran backs Hamas attack, Pak says '2-state solution key for Middle East peace' - India Today

[santosh10]

Trying to make Gaza untenable for the Israel, would be my guess.

in my last post#12, we find Iran, Pakistan and Qatar supporting Hamas/Palestine, along with Muslims of India.
how many countries support Hamas?

[Bigfella]

Trying to make Gaza untenable for the Israel, would be my guess.

I thought Israel withdrew from Gaza years ago.

Assuming there is a deeper plan here I would have thought the Israel-Saudi agreement, Iran trying to boost its support outside its Shia base & possibly some HAMAS attempt to destablize the PA in the West Bank might be involved.

[statquo]

Safe to say the potential Israel-Saudi normalization agreement is dead?