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    Pakistan 'expanding nuclear arsenal to deter US attack'
    Pakistan is expanding its nuclear arsenal to deter an American attack on its status as an atomic power, according to India's former foreign secretary.

    Shyam Saran said Islamabad had invested in a new generation of plutonium-based warheads. Photo: GETTY
    By Dean Nelson, South Asia Editor2:33PM GMT 07 Dec 2012
    Asia's triangular arms race has traditionally reflected the rivalries between India and China and India and Pakistan, but according to an influential former adviser to Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, Pakistan now regards the United States as a potential threat.
    In an article for The Hindu newspaper, Shyam Saran said Islamabad had invested in a new generation of plutonium-based warheads, increased the size range of its arsenal, and improved the accuracy of its missiles.
    Washington has voiced its concerns over the build-up in the region but believes it reflects Pakistan's long-standing fear of arch rival India's conventional force superiority.
    But according to Mr Saran, Islamabad's burgeoning nuclear arsenal is increasingly aimed at deterring its fractious ally in the war on terror, the United States. Its fear that Washington may strike to wipe out Pakistan's nuclear capability dates back to just after the 9/11 attacks when then President Musharraf said it had been warned to support the war on terror or face being "bombed back to the stone age."
    Despite his acquiescence, relations between the two countries have been strained ever since and reached their lowest point following the 2011 special forces raid which killed Osama bin Laden at his home in the centre of Pakistan's main garrison town Abbotabad.


    "While the immediate threat to its strategic assets passed, Pakistan's suspicions of US intentions in this regard have now risen to the level of paranoia," Mr Saran said.
    His comments follow the latest in a series of missile tests last week when the Pakistan Army confirmed it had fired a nuclear-capable Hatf-V medium range missile capable of hitting Indian cities as far east as Bangalore.
    Lieutenant-General Talat Masood, a retired senior Pakistan Army commander and nuclear expert, said Mr Saran's claims had some truth in them. "I would not say it [Pakistan's growing nuclear capability] was meant to counter America that would be suicidal. But there has always been a fear in Pakistan's strategic community and government, in the recent past, a feeling that America is unfavourably inclined towards our nuclear programme and if things got worse it could neutralise our nuclear weapons capability, go after them," he said.
    The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute voiced its concerns about the nuclear weapon build-up earlier this year after India developed a nuclear submarine and Pakistan unveiled a series of short range missiles.
    Pakistan is believed to have more nuclear warheads than India 110 to 100 and Washington remains concerned about the security of its nuclear bases.

    Pakistan 'expanding nuclear arsenal to deter US attack' - Telegraph

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    While the immediate threat to its strategic assets passed, Pakistan's suspicions of US intentions in this regard have now risen to the level of paranoia," Mr Saran said.
    Well, if you look at the responses of the overwhelming majority of US apologists on the following thread (in summary they all argue that Pakistan should not depend upon any international legal/institutional framework and should 'figure out how to defend itself') then Pakistani concerns are not paranoid at all.

    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/int...-new-post.html
    Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
    https://twitter.com/AgnosticMuslim

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    • #3
      Please don't used this thread to pimp the other thread.

      Unless the mods feel the need to merge the two, it should stand on it's own.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
        Well, if you look at the responses of the overwhelming majority of US apologists on the following thread (in summary they all argue that Pakistan should not depend upon any international legal/institutional framework and should 'figure out how to defend itself') then Pakistani concerns are not paranoid at all.
        A poppycock response to a poppycock article. The Pakistanis are NOT expanding their arsenal. The count has remained steady for three years running ~100 warheads for both sides.

        There is absolutely no evidence of a Pakistani Pu bomb and considering the amount of work required when the CHAGAI-I warheads are available, it makes damn stupid sense to produce another fuck up system that Pakistan would have zero confidence of working without a test.

        The Pakistanis ARE not paranoid about their nuclear systems. They have NOT prepared it to receive an American nuclear first strike nor are there any indication that they are even thinking along those lines.

        If there is paranoia, it's with dumb idiot civilians who know shit and the damned fucks looking for a lecture fee feeding into theat shit.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
          Please don't used this thread to pimp the other thread.

          Unless the mods feel the need to merge the two, it should stand on it's own.
          Please don't speak for me and/or attribute perceived motives to me - I addressed a point made in the article on this thread by pointing to the responses by an overwhelming majority of respondents on another thread. If you disagree with my argument, feel free to post why.
          Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            A poppycock response to a poppycock article. The Pakistanis are NOT expanding their arsenal. The count has remained steady for three years running ~100 warheads for both sides.

            There is absolutely no evidence of a Pakistani Pu bomb and considering the amount of work required when the CHAGAI-I warheads are available, it makes damn stupid sense to produce another fuck up system that Pakistan would have zero confidence of working without a test.

            The Pakistanis ARE not paranoid about their nuclear systems. They have NOT prepared it to receive an American nuclear first strike nor are there any indication that they are even thinking along those lines.

            If there is paranoia, it's with dumb idiot civilians who know shit and the damned fucks looking for a lecture fee feeding into theat shit.
            Let me try and sort 'the grain from the chaff (separate the actual argument you are making from all the irrelevant abusive language):

            1. You don't believe Pakistan is paranoid with respect to perceived US intentions towards her

            2. You don't believe Pakistan is expanding her nuclear arsenal

            Would that be an accurate summation of your comments?
            Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
            https://twitter.com/AgnosticMuslim

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
              1. You don't believe Pakistan is paranoid with respect to perceived US intentions towards her
              I know the Pakistani military is NOT preparing to receive an American nuclear strike.

              Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
              2. You don't believe Pakistan is expanding her nuclear arsenal
              The open source inteligence does not support this claim.

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              • #8
                I want to ask a question pls:

                If pakistan nukes an indian advancing army or even a indian city, will the indians have the right to nuke china because of chinese connection to pakistans nuclear progarm during the cold war?

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                • #9
                  They will have the right to bear the consequences of such move. If it ever happens.
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                  • #10
                    Ok I read the article twice because senior members have asked me to research before entering serious threads but for the life of me I cannot see anything written which points to Pakistan preparing to deter the US. Only about Pakistan planning to nuke increasingly distant Indian cities. Which while its a noteworthy and praiseworthy accomplishment for a basketcase state, still does not equate to deterring the US.

                    Am I missing something?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tennetc View Post
                      If pakistan nukes an indian advancing army or even a indian city, will the indians have the right to nuke china because of chinese connection to pakistans nuclear progarm during the cold war?
                      They have the right to start a war in whichever way they feel. Their lawyers will find the legal language to do so. They also have the right to lose such a war.

                      Originally posted by doppelganger View Post
                      Am I missing something?
                      It's a poppycock article.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        They have the right to start a war in whichever way they feel. Their lawyers will find the legal language to do so. They also have the right to lose such a war.
                        Sir I agree we will probably lose to China. Besides US, Russia, and China, which all countries do you think can beat us in a war? I am asking a serious question. I have read the rankings and all, but I want to know on the ground (and in the sky and in and under the water)what will happen.

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                        • #13
                          Sorry to American, Russians, Chinese and other forum members here if you think my post implies I want India to start war with them. I just wanted to know from august personages what they feel would happen "if" India hypothetically went to war with other countries, most of the powerful ones of which are actually friends and business partners.

                          Peace!

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                          • #14
                            India going to war with any of US, Russia or China, wont be an isolated event and the other two wont just sit and watch.

                            If such thing happens the conflict will be broader. Maybe not geographically, but in terms of nations involved directly.
                            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                              India going to war with any of US, Russia or China, wont be an isolated event and the other two wont just sit and watch.

                              If such thing happens the conflict will be broader. Maybe not geographically, but in terms of nations involved directly.
                              I know. I was just asking more mano imano style. :red:

                              I guess that also means which countries can bring the fight to India and hope to win. Beause I do not think India has the navy currently to take the fight to other countries across oceans?

                              Does China have that (leaving countries it can reach by land)?

                              Just thinking aloud here.
                              Last edited by doppelganger; 21 Mar 13,, 13:51.

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