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  • #16
    Update to OOB

    TF out of FT Campbell

    MED
    BIO CHEM HAZMAT
    MP BN
    AVN Assets

    More to follow

    Bootomline...plenty of guns
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • #17
      Originally posted by zraver View Post
      was anyone else's reaction- where are their covers?
      They are on a flight line. Covers are a FOD hazard.
      Human Scum. Proud Never Trumper

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
        They are on a flight line. Covers are a FOD hazard.
        Come on Z-man, you know that. They won't let us wear fire helmets when we do air-med evac.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
          They are on a flight line. Covers are a FOD hazard.
          Chalk that up to things a tanker doesn't know.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
            Come on Z-man, you know that. They won't let us wear fire helmets when we do air-med evac.


            I don't wear a fire helmet. I've only ever helped load 1 patient and I had my hat on.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by zraver View Post
              was anyone else's reaction- where are their covers?
              No covers on the flight line.

              Their weapons probably flew in the cargo bay. The airfield is secure.
              "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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              • #22
                Originally posted by zraver View Post
                Chalk that up to things a tanker doesn't know.
                Guess you guys are 'feet on the ground' types. :)
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by zraver View Post
                  Chalk that up to things a tanker doesn't know.
                  The medical abbreviation for the things on that list is TNTC (to numerous to count) :whome:
                  Human Scum. Proud Never Trumper

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by zraver View Post
                    was anyone else's reaction- where are their covers?
                    My reaction was "why are we sending several thousand soldiers to West Africa?"

                    Apparently they are doing construction work and supporting logistics. My next reaction was whether we could substitute unemployed Americans for uniformed American soldiers. Or just pay Pakistan or India to send people.

                    My prior reading suggests that ebola isn't really contagious in normal person-to-person contact but is highly contagious in closer contact that typically happens in healthcare settings, which means healthcare workers are really vulnerable to infection. So the biggest danger to us is sending our health-care workers there, so let's not do that, and other than that I don't really care. I sincerely doubt any West African nations are going to be toppled over this. Their biggest danger is actually the destruction of their already limited health care infrastructure which would lead to the spread of OTHER diseases.
                    IE, if 20-30% of your nurses and doctors are dead/out of commission from ebola, you might have, I don't know, a measles or chlorea outbreak.

                    Someone still needs to sub in more health-care workers and as far as I am concerned it shouldn't be anyone from the US (unless they're dumb enough to volunteer, then go right on ahead).

                    My next concern is that my Wife, working from home, noticed that one physician tried to substitute Domperidone for Risperidone because they sound the same. So maybe Liberians are better off with ebola than US doctors.
                    Last edited by GVChamp; 05 Oct 14,, 16:33.
                    "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                      Guess you guys are 'feet on the ground' types. :)
                      A tanker would be aghast to ever have his boots actually touch dirt!
                      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                      Mark Twain

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                        The medical abbreviation for the things on that list is TNTC (to numerous to count) :whome:
                        There is a reason we are calld DATs.

                        Albany, "Death before dismount!"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                          Guess you guys are 'feet on the ground' types. :)
                          "

                          If by feet you mean track pads.... walking is for the infantry.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
                            My reaction was "why are we sending several thousand soldiers to West Africa?"

                            Apparently they are doing construction work and supporting logistics. My next reaction was whether we could substitute unemployed Americans for uniformed American soldiers. Or just pay Pakistan or India to send people.

                            My prior reading suggests that ebola isn't really contagious in normal person-to-person contact but is highly contagious in closer contact that typically happens in healthcare settings, which means healthcare workers are really vulnerable to infection. So the biggest danger to us is sending our health-care workers there, so let's not do that, and other than that I don't really care. I sincerely doubt any West African nations are going to be toppled over this. Their biggest danger is actually the destruction of their already limited health care infrastructure which would lead to the spread of OTHER diseases.
                            IE, if 20-30% of your nurses and doctors are dead/out of commission from ebola, you might have, I don't know, a measles or chlorea outbreak.

                            Someone still needs to sub in more health-care workers and as far as I am concerned it shouldn't be anyone from the US (unless they're dumb enough to volunteer, then go right on ahead).

                            My next concern is that my Wife, working from home, noticed that one physician tried to substitute Domperidone for Risperidone because they sound the same. So maybe Liberians are better off with ebola than US doctors.
                            There is a small but not insignificant chance that Ebola can go airborne and retain its lethality. This chances increases with every additional human patient. If it occurs we're looking at an uncontainable global pandemic with many tens or hundreds of millions dead, collapse of civilization, end of the world type stuff.

                            Until we get Zmapp and the vaccines stockpiled the current epidemic is certainly a national security threat. In fact, it's an existential threat to the US.

                            PS - I have a PhD from a first tier US research university and currently work in one on biotechnology research. I am not trying to be alarmist but threat is real and dire. You can take this as a fully informed scientific opinion borne from the best education and information the Western world has to offer.

                            I agree with you about the health care workers who are in contact with the patients. However, I think using US troops to build installations is absolutely appropriate. I am concerned for the safety of our soldiers given the deteriorating security situation and the potential for terrorist attacks that we have not experienced before, but given the risks to our national security, I don't think we have a choice.

                            In the mean time, Zmapp production is ramping up, and vaccine candidates are advancing. In a few years I think we will be able to breath a sigh of relief. Right now, however, we are in a window of extraordinary vulnerability.
                            Last edited by citanon; 06 Oct 14,, 03:07.

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                            • #29
                              Thanks for the good news..... All the more reason to crank up the mission in Africa and impose serious for real quarantine of the exposed here and border closures.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by zraver View Post
                                Thanks for the good news..... All the more reason to crank up the mission in Africa and impose serious for real quarantine of the exposed here and border closures.
                                Ive been thinking about this but im not convinced. Lets start from the basis of being absolutely ruthless in prioritizing our security. Even then you have to admit that its impossible to completely quarantine these countries, and even if we shut down travel to the us, we cannot shut it down to europe or other one stop from us destinations.

                                If you then declare travel bans ir quarantine zones, that may have the effect of spark8ng an exodus. This would in turn lead to an even faster and wider spread of te disease while creating perverse incentives for those with cintact to ebola infected individuals to avoid detection. Thus quarantine measures could cause the very things they are supposed to prevent.

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