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  • German arms maker guns for rapid production as Ukraine war rages


    Germany's Rheinmetall has ramped up production of tank shells to send to Ukraine

    In a factory in a tranquil German village, 120 mm tank shells with black-painted tips, packed into wooden crates, sit on pallets waiting to be delivered to Ukraine.

    Leading arms manufacturer Rheinmetall is racing to meet demand for weapons and ammunition to supply Kyiv, as well as Germany and other NATO countries which are bolstering their defences after draining stockpiles.

    In March, as intense fighting continued around Bakhmut, NATO's chief said "we need to ramp up production" warning Ukraine's usage is outstripping allies' production capacity.

    "We are pulling out all the stops when it comes to production of ammunition for tanks," said Harald Weismueller, head of the factory in Unterluess, Lower Saxony state.

    Germany has long been a major arms maker and exporter, but in a country still haunted by guilt over Nazi atrocities in World War II, its manufacturers have kept a relatively low profile.

    But as Russia's war in Ukraine spurs demand, business is booming for Rheinmetall, which has seen orders surge and in March joined Frankfurt's blue-chip DAX stock index.

    The European Union has agreed on a plan to spend two billion euros ($2.1 billion) on artillery shells for Ukraine to try to get a million rounds of artillery ammunition to the country over twelve months.

    Kyiv had told the EU it needed 350,000 shells a month to support troops, saying its forces were having to ration firepower as the conflict turned into a grinding war of attrition.

    Among the wide array of armaments produced at Rheinmetall's major Unterluess plant are shells for Leopard 2 battle tanks, which can travel at 1,700 metres (5,580 feet) per second and pierce the armour of a Russian tank.

    Between 400 and 500 shells can be produced in an eight-hour shift, and the rate could be increased, said Weismueller.

    After huge pressure, Berlin agreed in January that German-made Leopards -- for which Rheinmetall makes parts, and which are developed by manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann -- could be sent to Ukraine. The first tanks were delivered in late March.

    - New production lines -

    From 60,000 a year before the war, Rheinmetall has ramped up production to 240,000 of the tank shells annually.

    The firm is Europe's biggest manufacturer of ammunition for tanks and artillery, ahead of Norway's Nammo and France's Nexter.

    This position will be cemented with the acquisition of Spain's Expal, a leading manufacturer of 120 mm shells.

    Such is the boom in demand that the company is sitting on a backlog of orders worth 18.5 billion euros -- three times its sales in 2022.

    As well as supplying Ukraine, Germany's decision to beef up its armed forces in the wake of the Ukraine war is helping to drive the surge.

    Rheinmetall estimates that Europe's biggest economy will need to spend $40 billion to replenish its stocks of armaments.

    At Unterluess, new machines are being installed and whole new production lines set up.

    Equipment to make 35 mm shells fired by Gepard anti-aircraft tanks should begin production in less than six weeks, Weissmueller said, with up to 500,000 to be produced a year.

    The shells are also produced in Switzerland but authorities in the traditionally neutral country have refused to allow their export to conflict zones.

    The factory has also ramped up production of 155 mm shells for self-propelled howitzers, which can hit targets 25 kilometres away.

    Elsewhere in the plant, old armoured vehicles, with patches of rust, have been completely dismantled, as workers prepare to refurbish them to be deployed once again on the battlefield.

    This includes the Marder infantry fighting vehicle, dozens of which have already been sent to Ukraine.

    Booming demand means the 2,400 staff at the site are working flat out, as the sound of shots ring out from Leopard 2 cannons being tested on an adjacent firing range, the largest in Europe.
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    “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”

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    • TH stop posting vaguely erotic photos on WAB. I'd complain but who to?
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      • Originally posted by Monash View Post
        TH stop posting vaguely erotic photos on WAB. I'd complain bit who to?
        “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”

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        • NATO prepares unprecedented air exercise in show of force to Russia
          BERLIN — Germany is preparing to host the biggest air deployment exercise in NATO’s history, a show of force intended to impress allies and potential adversaries such as Russia, German and American officials said Wednesday.

          The Air Defender 23 exercise starting next week will see 10,000 participants and 250 aircraft from 25 nations respond to a simulated attack on a NATO member country. The United States alone is sending 2,000 U.S. Air National Guard personnel and about 100 aircraft to take part in the June 12-23 training maneuvers.

          “This is an exercise that would be absolutely impressive to anybody who’s watching, and we don’t make anybody watch it,” U.S. Ambassador to Germany Amy Gutmann said.

          “It will demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt the agility and the swiftness of our allied force in NATO as a first responder,” she told reporters in Berlin.

          “I would be pretty surprised if any world leader was not taking note of what this shows in terms of the spirit of this alliance, which means the strength of this alliance,” Gutmann said.

          “And that includes Mr. Putin,” she added, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

          While the drill was planned for several years, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 ear has jolted NATO into preparing in earnest for the possibility of an attack on its territory. Sweden, which is hoping to join the alliance, and Japan are also taking part in the exercise.

          “We are showing that NATO territory is our red line, that we are prepared to defend every centimeter of this territory,” said Lt. Gen. Ingo Gerhartz of the German air force, which is coordinating the exercise. “But we won’t, for example, conduct any flights toward Kaliningrad. So this is intended to be defensive.”

          Kaliningrad is a Russian exclave located on the Baltic Sea between Poland and Lithuania.

          Lt. Gen. Michael A. Loh, director of the U.S. Air National Guard, said the exercise goes beyond deterrence.

          “It’s about the readiness of our force. It’s about coordination, not just within NATO, but with our other allies and partners outside of NATO,” he said.

          Loh said the exercise would be an opportunity for younger U.S. airmen, many of whom have mainly gotten experience serving in the Middle East, to build relationships with allies in Europe and prepare for a different military scenario.

          “So this is about now establishing what it means to go against a great power, in a great power competition,” he said.

          Authorities have said the drill will cause some disruption to civilian flights in Europe during the period.
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          Time to show Russia what real air forces look like.
          “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”

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          • ABC News (Australia) is reporting that the Australian Government is in active negotiations with the US government over a plan that would let them 'sell' up to 41 retired F-18s currently in storage here pending their disposal to the Ukrainian government. The aircraft are supposedly in 'good' condition (whatever that means). Whether some would have to be scrapped to provide spare parts for the rest or the US is willing to pay for/provide any necessary replacement parts I have no idea.

            Still its potentially a great idea though.
            Last edited by Monash; 08 Jun 23,, 03:56.
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            • Originally posted by Monash View Post
              ABC News (Australia) is reporting that the Australian Government is in active negotiations with the US government over a plan that would let them 'sell' up to 41 retired F-18s currently in storage here pending their disposal to the Ukrainian government. The aircraft are supposedly in 'good' condition (whatever that means). Whether some would have to be scrapped to provide spare parts for the rest or the US is willing to pay for/provide any necessary replacement parts I have no idea.

              Still its potentially a great idea though.
              Would love to see those in action. Interested European partners might unload some Tornadoes, Grippens and some Rafale's to Ukraine too at some point, or so I've read. What an amazing hodgepodge of gear Ukraine will have/has already. How many different APCs does she have already? Seem like at least 10? Tanks? I can list at least probably 15 different models from many different nations. What an amazing collection.

              My prediction: after the war is over, victorious Ukraine will (eventually) build one hell of an amazing military museum, showcasing the vast assortment of gear it's used in the fight.

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              • Originally posted by Goatboy View Post

                Would love to see those in action. Interested European partners might unload some Tornadoes, Grippens and some Rafale's to Ukraine too at some point, or so I've read. What an amazing hodgepodge of gear Ukraine will have/has already. How many different APCs does she have already? Seem like at least 10? Tanks? I can list at least probably 15 different models from many different nations. What an amazing collection.

                My prediction: after the war is over, victorious Ukraine will (eventually) build one hell of an amazing military museum, showcasing the vast assortment of gear it's used in the fight.
                None of the European members have enough spare airframes of any one particular type to warrant transferring them to Ukraine. Four of five Tornadoes here, a couple of Grippens there, maybe a few Raphales thrown in as well would be a logistical nightmare for the Ukrainians, their armed forces are already struggling to maintain the disparate combat systems they're already received. Training would be even more of the problem because you'd have to train a cadre of pilots on one specific type of jet meaning none of them could crossover to fly any of the others without going back for several weeks or even months of new training. The reason F-16s were suggested is that they're one of if not THE most widely used western 4th gen fighter in the world, so on paper there are heaps of potential air-frames out there to be traded about, refurbished and handed over to the Ukrainians. Enough anyway that the Uki's would only have to train their pilots and maintenance crews on one platform.

                The F-18s are actually a bit of a fluke. From memory (so I could be wrong here) not many countries outside of Canada and Australia fly (or flew) the F-18 apart from America and most of theirs are fully committed. Australia just happens to be transitioning from the F-18 to the F-35 so the RAAF has built up a one off stockpile of air frames it was going to sell back to the US for spare parts before this idea came up. Again if it was only an handful of planes the idea wouldn't have made much sense. But if all 41 can be delivered in one or more batches before the F-16s can it definitely makes sense to send them. They're not a long term proposition for Ukraine after the war but they would be very useful during it.
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                • Apart from the US having a LOT of F-18s I believe Canada, Finland & Spain all fly them. Not sure if they have anything useful to contribute other than pilot training or a few spares. Still, the US should have enough spares to help.
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                  • If we're talking legacy C models, there should be lots in storage. I think only USMC is still using them. Navy went all Super Hornet now.

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                    • Originally posted by Zad Fnark View Post
                      If we're talking legacy C models, there should be lots in storage. I think only USMC is still using them. Navy went all Super Hornet now.
                      Question is, how much life is left on the airframes?
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                      • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                        Apart from the US having a LOT of F-18s I believe Canada, Finland & Spain all fly them. Not sure if they have anything useful to contribute other than pilot training or a few spares. Still, the US should have enough spares to help.
                        I cant see either Finland or Spain having many air frames to add to Australians proposed contribution, of course every additional aircraft would help but I suspect Finland couldn't spare any they might still have for obvious reasons. Spain might be able to contribute a few because after checking I saw they purchased 85 or so F-18s. I just have no idea how many they might be able to spare and what condition they're in.
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                        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                          Question is, how much life is left on the airframes?
                          That's the key problem. I have no idea how many hours the Aussie F-18s have left but obviously of the 41 air frames available some will have many more hours left on the clock than others. The thing is of course Spain, Finland, Canada and other users will want to keep those aircraft with the most hours left for their own uses. That said if you view these aircraft as stop gaps and if they can last 6 months of intensive use does it matter? And yes, I realize how cynical that question is given it's not my ass I'm putting into the pilot's seat. The problem is though that Ukraine needs combat aircraft now. I mean what's the point of waiting a year or more to send them aircraft with decades still on the clock if Russia wins before they arrive?

                          As much as I detest suggesting it it's probably far better for Ukraine to get planes with a couple of years left which they promptly burn through in six months of intensive warfare than it is to delay. And being brutally honest a lot of those planes probably wont last out whatever flight hours they have left anyway. And as much as I wish it were otherwise the same probably goes for their pilots. There's that old expression that say's 'the perfect is the enemy of the good'. Ukraine cant wait for a perfect solution, it needs a 'good' (enough) one right NOW! Once they win? Fine, that's the time to start worrying about giving them the perfect air force for their long term strategic needs. Right now they need planes that can fly out the next 12 months.
                          Last edited by Monash; 09 Jun 23,, 06:18.
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                          • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                            As much as I detest suggesting it it's probably far better for Ukraine to get planes with a couple of years left which they promptly burn through in six months of intensive warfare than it is to delay. And being brutally honest a lot of those planes probably wont last out whatever flight hours they have left anyway. And as much as I wish it were otherwise the same probably goes for their pilots. There's that old expression that say's 'the perfect is the enemy of the good'. Ukraine cant wait for the perfect solution, it needs a 'good' (enough) NOW! Once they win? Fine, that's the time to start worrying about giving them the 'perfect' air force for their long term strategic needs. Right now they need planes that can fly out the next 12 months.
                            That's a good point, several good points actually.

                            As an aside, when the Blue Angels get "new" Hornets/Super Hornets, they are the oldest and most worn-out airframes in the inventory. The Blues burn through whatever life is left and then off to AMARG or to the Naval Aviation Museum they go.
                            “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”

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                            • That article on Rheinmetall above should be seen in the context that Rheinmetall is lobbying extremely heavily for contracts. Often with announcements that turn out far less viable than presented, especially time-wise.

                              In that light, the article does also contain some somewhat misleading statements. Ammunition for Ukraine? Sure, Rheinmetall is producing some. However, 35mm for Gepard SPAAGs only. Germany's paying for it. Not 120mm. Two thirds of their current 120mm ammo production capacity goes to the Bundeswehr ordering "as needed" from its framework contracts that run until 2028. They actually had to build another factory in Hungary for a contract there starting next year. Those Marders? Yeah, Rheinmetall has 60 of them just standing around, of which for 20 a refurbishment has now been ordered. They're not gonna start work on any of the others without a contract.

                              Or to quote Rheinmetall CEO Papperger: "I need work orders. Without orders i'm not producing anything."

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                              • Originally posted by kato View Post
                                That article on Rheinmetall above should be seen in the context that Rheinmetall is lobbying extremely heavily for contracts. Often with announcements that turn out far less viable than presented, especially time-wise.

                                In that light, the article does also contain some somewhat misleading statements. Ammunition for Ukraine? Sure, Rheinmetall is producing some. However, 35mm for Gepard SPAAGs only. Germany's paying for it. Not 120mm. Two thirds of their current 120mm ammo production capacity goes to the Bundeswehr ordering "as needed" from its framework contracts that run until 2028. They actually had to build another factory in Hungary for a contract there starting next year. Those Marders? Yeah, Rheinmetall has 60 of them just standing around, of which for 20 a refurbishment has now been ordered. They're not gonna start work on any of the others without a contract.

                                Or to quote Rheinmetall CEO Papperger: "I need work orders. Without orders i'm not producing anything."
                                Damn I love having the inside scoop....
                                “You scare people badly enough, you can get 'em to do anything They'll turn to whoever promises a solution”

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