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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostLooks like all of Israel's Patriots are going to be heading to Ukraine. The interceptors have already been moved to Poland, while the rest of the hardware is heading to the US for refurbishment (radars etc.)
Not really sure what to make out of seized Hezbollah weapons being donated by Israel to Ukraine. When I first read about it, almost seemed like an empty gesture. It's not as if Ukraine has a shortage of small arms. Maybe someone else knows more details about the types of kit involved, I can't imagine it's much more than AKs and RPGs.
Hopefully it's finally dawned on the Israelis - the Russians are your enemy's ally, transfers them weapons and technology, and is therefore your enemy. Maybe a coincidence, but Hamas attacked Israel on Putin's birthday, and the conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah was a distraction for the US and the West, and played to Putin's benefit at the time.
Hope to see more forthcoming from Israel with regards to Ukraine aid.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/us-...ukraine-israel
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/region-di...223128979.html
'The region will die': Ukraine's Donbas mines within Russia's grasp
Fighting desperately to cling on to coal mines that were once the lifeblood of its industrial east, Ukraine's soldiers conceded they were struggling against intensifying Russian attacks.
"There's only so much we can do. No matter what super warriors are fighting in our ranks, the Russians outnumber us. It hurts," said the chief sergeant of Ukraine's 59th brigade, deployed in the Donetsk region, who goes by the call sign "San Sanych".
Russia's army is around six kilometres (four miles) from the centre of Pokrovsk, a formerly thriving mining hub on top of Ukraine's largest coal reserves.
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Does not really matter if 200k nato force comes in . Ukraine already lost, Its own gvmnt is the problem now, not Russians. They are now fighting their own people thru TCK. males are afraid to go outside, due to TCK vans kidnaping people from streets, and sending them to war, some die after being taken on the bus, TCK people are worse than russian, and they never get accountable for anything, people already got tired and shoot them. If there was election today, Z would not get 10%. I honestly do not think there is much sense in saving Ukraine, if they will keep current gvmnt. They may as well be Russia, now both gvmts are pretty much the same. I actually think keeping Z gvmnt, will start a civil war. even if this war stops. Oh wait, now it makes sense why Z wants 200k Nato troops, to protect his gvmnt, from Ukrainians. His Gvmt already already falls under tyrannical definition on every dot."Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin
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Originally posted by omon View PostDoes not really matter if 200k nato force comes in . Ukraine already lost, Its own gvmnt is the problem now, not Russians. They are now fighting their own people thru TCK. males are afraid to go outside, due to TCK vans kidnaping people from streets, and sending them to war, some die after being taken on the bus, TCK people are worse than russian, and they never get accountable for anything, people already got tired and shoot them. If there was election today, Z would not get 10%. I honestly do not think there is much sense in saving Ukraine, if they will keep current gvmnt. They may as well be Russia, now both gvmts are pretty much the same. I actually think keeping Z gvmnt, will start a civil war. even if this war stops. Oh wait, now it makes sense why Z wants 200k Nato troops, to protect his gvmnt, from Ukrainians. His Gvmt already already falls under tyrannical definition on every dot.
Conclusion? Ukraine's situation is not nearly as back as you paint it but a lot is still riding on whether Trump actually does has a plan to intervene or instead decides to just leave the country swinging in the wind despite is self proclaimed status as a world class 'deal maker'. Since it's early days yet? I'm still banking on his ego to lead him into trying for a peace deal on his terms.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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Originally posted by omon View PostDoes not really matter if 200k nato force comes in . Ukraine already lost, Its own gvmnt is the problem now, not Russians. They are now fighting their own people thru TCK. males are afraid to go outside, due to TCK vans kidnaping people from streets, and sending them to war, some die after being taken on the bus, TCK people are worse than russian, and they never get accountable for anything, people already got tired and shoot them. If there was election today, Z would not get 10%. I honestly do not think there is much sense in saving Ukraine, if they will keep current gvmnt. They may as well be Russia, now both gvmts are pretty much the same. I actually think keeping Z gvmnt, will start a civil war. even if this war stops. Oh wait, now it makes sense why Z wants 200k Nato troops, to protect his gvmnt, from Ukrainians. His Gvmt already already falls under tyrannical definition on every dot.
I'm confused. If it worst Zelensky is no better than Putim, the majority of the Ukrainians are behind Zelensky as the majority of the Russians are behind Putin. I can find no Open Source Intel that points to a brewing Ukrainian Civil War. TCK maybe the worst of the people snatchers but I've found no open gang shooting of the TCK, only individuals shooting the TCK.
Please clarify your position with sources I can examine.
Chimo
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Originally posted by Monash View PostConclusion? Ukraine's situation is not nearly as back as you paint it.
The cynicism is justified. Just when Kiev needs NATO membership the most in face of Trump's threats? It disappeared!
Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostPut Ukraine into the slot of failed states. There will be no NATO membership, else membership would have been offered. Once the war ends, so will the military supplies as NATO replenishes their lost stocks and believe me, a hell of lost stocks that need to be replenish. No one is going to spend their own defence budgets on anyone else but themselves. NATO membership will drag on WITH the UKR having to pay her own way. Those free F-16s and ABRAMS/LEO IIs/CHALLY 2s are gone. NATO membership barrier after barrier will rise up, least of all corruption index.
The cynicism is justified. Just when Kiev needs NATO membership the most in face of Trump's threats? It disappeared!).
If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostPut Ukraine into the slot of failed states. There will be no NATO membership, else membership would have been offered. Once the war ends, so will the military supplies as NATO replenishes their lost stocks and believe me, a hell of lost stocks that need to be replenish. No one is going to spend their own defence budgets on anyone else but themselves. NATO membership will drag on WITH the UKR having to pay her own way. Those free F-16s and ABRAMS/LEO IIs/CHALLY 2s are gone. NATO membership barrier after barrier will rise up, least of all corruption index.
The cynicism is justified. Just when Kiev needs NATO membership the most in face of Trump's threats? It disappeared!
I have read the French are in favor of providing a peacekeeper force (seems to be a Macron foreign policy priority they're pushing) and the British seem to be on-board as well. Poland were notably against an EU peacekeepers plan for reasons I don't understand yet.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostOmon,
I'm confused. If it worst Zelensky is no better than Putim, the majority of the Ukrainians are behind Zelensky as the majority of the Russians are behind Putin. I can find no Open Source Intel that points to a brewing Ukrainian Civil War. TCK maybe the worst of the people snatchers but I've found no open gang shooting of the TCK, only individuals shooting the TCK.
Please clarify your position with sources I can examine.
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Originally posted by rj1 View Post
If you saw the "leaked" Trump peace plan, it calls for British and EU troops patrolling a Cyprus/Korea-style DMZ between the Russian lands they've conquered and Ukraine. Notice in this plan and in Gaza according to the Trump administration there's no U.S. troops. Gaza particularly that is laughable, which tells you it's not a serious plan. But so nice and thoughtful of Trump to when the rest of NATO needs to replenish their stocks and he's calling on them to increase defense spending he seeks to spend their defense budget for them.
I have read the French are in favor of providing a peacekeeper force (seems to be a Macron foreign policy priority they're pushing) and the British seem to be on-board as well. Poland were notably against an EU peacekeepers plan for reasons I don't understand yet.
Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostTrump got nothing. No peace plan. Nothing. The war will go on with the US backing out of everything.)
If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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Originally posted by Monash View Post
Yes it's starting to look that way. It would cost him nothing to announce for example that he was putting a team together to start work on potential peace deal & providing a rough timeline as to when he hoped negotiations might start. Instead all we have so far is radio silence. (Unless of course his 'brilliant plan' is to just stand back and let Russia do what it want's?)
Trump got nothing. No peace plan. Nothing. The war will go on with the US backing out of everything.
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