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  • Originally posted by S2 View Post
    "As for our stockage piles...they have always been an open book once satellites went up. The Warsaw Pact knew to a 16 digit grid where all of our POMCUS sites were in USAREUR."

    I was thinking more along Corps/Div/Bde field locations. From the FLOT back you could wear a blindfold, throw a dart and likely land on a unit location. There were only so many places you could park your sh!t and do business.


    There are only so many places you can mass the artillery to destroy the depots!
    Chimo

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    • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
      There are only so many places you can mass the artillery to destroy the depots!
      It doesn't need to be artillery I would presume. If we're talking about a future 'drone heavy' combat environment a lot of the rear area depot and CP attack work etc could/would be done by armed drones and/or long range ground and air launched missiles. Theater commanders might well reserve their artillery assets for attacks on more mobile front line units and critical positions.
      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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      • Originally posted by Monash View Post
        It doesn't need to be artillery I would presume. If we're talking about a future 'drone heavy' combat environment a lot of the rear area depot and CP attack work etc could/would be done by armed drones and/or long range ground and air launched missiles. Theater commanders might well reserve their artillery assets for attacks on more mobile front line units and critical positions.
        You still need mass.

        Chimo

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          You still need mass.
          Definitely. But I have a suspicion that 10 years from now at least the big players will be equipping their armies with 'metric shit tonnes' of various drone types, perhaps not on the scale of artillery munitions but emulating those kind of numbers and we'll be seeing them deployed in large scale 'fire missions' against rear area targets (hopefully just in war gaming scenarios).
          Last edited by Monash; 22 Jul 24,, 07:55.
          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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          • Originally posted by Monash View Post
            Definitely. But I have a suspicion that 10 years from now at least the big players will be equipping their armies with 'metric shit tonnes' of various types of drones, perhaps not on the scale of artillery munitions but emulating those kind of numbers and we'll be seeing them deployed in large scale 'fire missions' against rear area targets (hopefully just in war gaming scenarios).
            Mass of artillery or drones, the recee is the same.

            Chimo

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            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              There are only so many places you can mass the artillery to destroy the depots!
              look at this, OoE dropping knowledge bombs here for free, while other suckers have to go to a convention to hear it.

              https://x.com/shashj/status/1815342001216487560
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • The future battlespace is going to be a lot less congested than what we have seen in our history. You have all hit on multiple reasons why. As S2 and GunGrape would know, US doctrine was never to mass artillery units...it was to mass fires. Massing fires allows dispersion which equals survival. These lessons are being learned at our combat training centers (JRTC/NTC/CMTC) as we pivot to LSCO and away from the 20 years in Iraq/Astan. Standoff fires becoming more important in aviation & sea ops...I mean look at the whole SM-6 on an F-18!

                The lessons were first seen in the Azeri-Armenia War and we are seeing it in spades in Ukraine.
                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                Mark Twain

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                • An excellent article on issues we have with production of 155mm ammunition and its impact on Ukraine. In Defense Acquisition we refer to the shortage of production sites and workforce as well as raw materiels Diminishing Manufacturing Sources and Material Shortages (DMSMS). When the Cold War ended we mothballed quite a number of sites for ammo production. We shot a crap ton of it in Iraq/Astan but never ramped up production. It is also the reality of paying for misguided weapons that failed, having to work around impacts of sequestration (they were & are very real) and the lack od surety in federal budgets.

                  A lot of guilty bastids for this failure.

                  Years of U.S., NATO miscalculations left Ukraine massively outgunned (reuters.com)


                  A REUTERS INVESTIGATION

                  Years of miscalculations by U.S., NATO led to dire shell shortage in Ukraine


                  A Ukrainian serviceman prepares 155mm shells at a position late last year near the town of Marinka in the Donetsk region. The 155mm shell has becomes a pivotal weapon in the ongoing war with Russia. REUTERS/Viacheslav Ratynskyi
                  Since Russia seized Crimea in 2014, policymakers in America and Europe repeatedly failed to address warnings about the sorry condition of the West’s munitions industry. The result: an inability to adequately supply Ukraine with a key weapon, and a shift of the war in Russia’s favor.

                  By STEPHEN GREY, JOHN SHIFFMAN and ALLISON MARTELL

                  Filed July 19, 2024, 8 a.m. GMT

                  KRAMATORSK, UKRAINE




                  On the frontlines near this old industrial city, soldiers in the trenches say a shortage of an all-important munition – the 155 millimeter artillery shell – has turned the war in Russia’s favor.

                  Many of them blamed the supply crunch on the U.S. Congress for failing to quickly approve a $60 billion military aid package, which passed after months of delay in April. The U.S. and European nations have pledged that assistance is on its way. But while fresh supplies have been delivered, Ukraine is still massively outgunned.

                  155mm shell


                  The causes of the shell crisis began years ago. They are rooted in decisions and miscalculations made by the U.S. military and its NATO allies that occurred well before Russia’s 2022 invasion, a Reuters investigation found.

                  A decade of strategic, funding and production mistakes played a far greater role in the shell shortage than did the recent U.S. congressional delays of aid, Reuters found.

                  In the years between Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea and its 2022 invasion, for example, repeated warnings from top NATO commanders and from officials who operated or supervised U.S. munitions plants went largely unheeded. They advised their governments, both publicly and privately, that the alliance’s munitions industry was ill-equipped to surge production should war demand it. Because of the failure to respond to those warnings, many artillery production lines at already-ancient factories in the United States and Europe slowed to a crawl or closed altogether.

                  “This is a problem that’s been long in the making,” said Bruce Jette, who served as the assistant secretary of the U.S. Army for acquisition, logistics and technology from 2018 to January 2021.

                  Reuters interviewed dozens of current and former U.S., Ukrainian and North Atlantic Treaty Organization military officials, and reviewed thousands of pages of confidential U.S. Army briefings, public documents and other internal records. The reporting found that:

                  Production of the 155mm shell dropped so dramatically that, from summer 2014 to fall 2015, the U.S. added no new shells to its stockpile.

                  Manufacturing defects and safety violations triggered repeated production-line shutdowns. The 2021 discovery of cracks in shells cut production capacity in half for months.

                  A U.S. decision to change the type of explosive used in those shells hasn’t helped the war effort and, to date, has been an expensive flop: The Army spent $147 million on a facility it doesn’t use.

                  And a plan to replace an antiquated plant in Virginia that produced propellant to launch the shells has fallen a decade behind its scheduled completion and has almost doubled in price. That delay has created a greater U.S. reliance on raw materials from overseas than is publicly known. One internal U.S. Army document from 2021 details “foreign dependencies” on at least a dozen chemicals made in China and India, countries with close trade ties to Russia.

                  Particularly ironic: The U.S. pre-war plan for sourcing the explosive TNT from overseas included contracts with a factory in eastern Ukraine. The plant was seized by Russia early in the war.

                  U.S. shell production

                  Average monthly production of 155mm artillery shells


                  Big guns and the shells they fire are pivotal to Kyiv’s ability to hold the 1,000-kilometer front. The artillery functions day or night and regardless of weather. The 155mm shell and its Russian equivalent are considered crucial because they combine the explosive power and extended range needed to destroy armor and inflict casualties.

                  Since the war began, artillery has proved so lethal that it has caused more than 80% of casualties on both sides, according to estimates by Ukrainian military commanders.

                  Major Anton Bayev, who helped coordinate artillery support for frontline troops in the Kreminna Forest about 60 kilometers from Kramatorsk, says the shell shortage left him feeling “naked.” Starting in the fall, he said, supplies of old Soviet shells were all but gone, and 155mm shells were running low. By spring, there were times when his whole brigade had just four shells a day to cover at least a dozen kilometers of territory, he told Reuters.
                  “We were talking about it all the time: ‘What are we going to do if we get into a war here? We can’t just ramp this stuff up in one day. We’re in a bad situation.’”
                  Joe Amadee, former U.S. Army senior adviser
                  A Ukrainian serviceman prepares 155mm artillery shells at a position near the frontlines of the Zaporizhzhia region in January. Shortages of 155mm rounds have made thwarting Russian advances difficult and deadly. REUTERS/File photo
                  “It’s very hard for me to witness my infantrymen being destroyed when I cannot do anything,” said the 30-year-old commander.

                  In May, shortly after Congress approved the fresh aid, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said there were no reports of artillery shortages– an assessment disputed by those at the frontlines. Regardless, in a recent interview, Zelenskiy urged Western allies to provide more help, more quickly.

                  Some defense analysts say second-guessing decisions that led to the supply crunch is overly simplistic. “It’s easy to criticize leaders of the past for not consistently funding munitions. Clearly, the industrial base would be in a better place today if they had done so,” said Cynthia Cook, who directs the Defense-Industrial Initiatives Group at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. The key, she said, is to understand that there are always trade offs, and there would have been weapons or tools the military would have been unable to fund had it upgraded its ammunition production facilities.

                  But Lord David Richards, a former British chief of the defense staff and NATO commander in Afghanistan, said that since the end of the Cold War, politicians in Western nations have frequently overruled the advice of “the more capable NATO commanders.” Those commanders, he said, had warned of the dangers of not keeping artillery ammunition stocks higher.

                  Instead, Richards said, policymakers took what he called a “production gamble” by assuming militaries could restart production in time for when the munitions were needed.
                  A worker at the at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania operates a furnace on the assembly line where 155mm shell casings are made. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque
                  Recent congressional delays did slow U.S. military aid to Ukraine, said Doug Bush, the assistant secretary of the U.S. Army for acquisitions, logistics and technology. “The effect was real on the battlefield,” he said.

                  Bush saw a silver lining in the repeated warnings outlining munitions-production woes: They provided a roadmap for action after Russia’s invasion.

                  “We were really lucky we had done that work because then as soon as the war started, Congress said, ‘Your ammo plants need more help to meet the surge,’ and we’re like, ‘We have a plan, the one we already gave you.’”




                  A deadly gamble

                  Early in the war, the U.S. and its allies pledged to help Ukraine replace its legacy Soviet-era guns, which use a different caliber of ammunition. By the end of last year, Ukraine’s supplies of Soviet artillery shells – its standard long-range caliber measuring 152mm in diameter – had been nearly exhausted. The dramatic production shortfalls of the comparable Western 155mm shell, coupled with the insatiable need of Ukrainian forces for ordnance, has meant the U.S. has sought the munition from other nations and has needed to draw substantially from its own stockpile.

                  How many 155mm shells the U.S. has in reserve is classified. But the Army, which made fewer than 3,000 shells per month in the mid-2010s, says it is now producing about 36,000 shells a month. To help the Army reach its goal of making 100,000 shells per month by late 2025, Congress recently approved $6 billion to produce new shells, upgrade old factories and build new ammunition plants.

                  Whether those efforts will prove too little and too late to halt Russian offensives remains in question. What’s clear is that, while Moscow was able to quickly pivot to a war economy and source shells from allies, the shortages have already left Ukraine painfully outgunned.
                  “It’s very important for our infantry to hear the sound of our artillery every hour just to understand that they are not alone in the field.”
                  Volodymyr Havrylov, Ukraine’s former deputy defense minister
                  Ukrainian servicemen prepare 155mm shells last December near the town of Marinka in the Donetsk region. Artillery has enabled Ukraine to destroy Russian armored vehicles and stop enemy troop advances. Without it, Ukrainian forces fear their positions may be overrun. REUTERS/Viacheslav Ratynskyi
                  Last October, a Ukrainian offensive ended abruptly, and troops went from shelling to shoveling. Soldiers remember the order: Stop attacking and start digging trenches. With limited artillery, the Ukrainian attack had ended.

                  In all, six different frontline units told Reuters similar stories: a sudden dearth of artillery that, they believe, changed the course of the war.

                  Absent ammunition, however, commanders fear Russia may overrun their positions and decimate Ukrainian forces.

                  A senior officer on Ukraine’s general staff provided Reuters previously undisclosed figures that demonstrate the deadly difference artillery makes. When Ukraine was firing 10,000 shells per day, between 35 and 45 Ukrainian soldiers were killed daily and about 250 to 300 were wounded. But when the daily fire fell to half that, more than 100 Ukrainian soldiers were killed per day and at least a thousand were wounded.

                  “These projectiles build a wall for our soldiers,” the officer said.

                  Meanwhile, Ukrainian commanders say that for every shell their forces fire, Russia fires at least five. Compounding the problem: Ukraine faces a critical and growing shortage of troops compared to Russia.

                  Even before funding from the U.S. Congress was delayed, the Ukrainians had been told by U.S. officials that shells could not be produced quickly enough to meet their military needs, said Volodymyr Havrylov, who served as Ukraine’s deputy defense minister for the first 18 months of the war.

                  “It’s very important for our infantry to hear the sound of our artillery every hour just to understand that they are not alone in the field and there are guys behind them who are ready to support them,” Havrylov said.

                  By summer 2023, however, U.S. officials told Ukraine that its forces should be ready for a reduced supply of shells in 2024 – barely half of the 2 million rounds of 155mm they ended up receiving in 2023.

                  Havrylov said U.S. officials told him that “we should adjust our warfare approach” and “live with” a reduced supply of shells.
                  Along the assembly line, Mike Reed works to produce metal shell casings for 155mm artillery rounds at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque
                  The 155mm shell was little used in Iraq and Afghanistan, America’s two big wars this century, which led many military planners to believe the weapon was growing obsolete. But these so-called asymmetric wars, which pitted a superpower’s regular military against insurgent irregulars, differ greatly from the conventional fighting here. In Ukraine, where two mass armies are shooting it out, the value of artillery is borne out by the casualty counts.

                  In meetings in September, U.S. officials told the Ukrainians that “we have to move from the old era of military warfare to more technological things,” Havrylov recalled.

                  Drones, for example, have played a significant role in the war, both on land and in the Black Sea. Many planners agree the conflict has demonstrated how this rising technology has ushered in important changes to battle tactics and strategy.

                  Still, that advice was also necessitated by what some U.S. and NATO officials say was poor planning – a misguided belief that industry in the U.S. and Europe could quickly reverse more than three decades of funding cutbacks and plant closures, swing into action and mass-produce the needed ordnance.

                  “People understood the risk and we took the risk because it was assumed industry could surge,” said a former senior U.S. military official who participated in a 2023 Army review that documented failures to prepare for war. “I don’t think we understood collectively how challenged the industry would be to turn on a dime.”

                  The review was conducted by retired generals and military leaders for the Army Science Board, an advisory group that offers technical guidance to senior officials. It cited other problems that made a surge for war difficult: costly environmental requirements, bureaucratic contracting processes, decades of erratic funding from a divided Congress, and an Army habit of diverting funds budgeted for ammunition to other programs.

                  “This state of affairs has been obscured for years,” the report said.

                  Yet it was well known among the top echelons of the U.S. military and NATO commanders. Three Science Board study members told Reuters the failure to prepare for war can be attributed to almost everyone involved for the last 15 years: military leaders, Pentagon officials, defense contractors and politicians of both parties.

                  The issue: “It didn’t seem like anyone had a holistic view of the entire defense production industry,” one of those members said.

                  At the NATO summit last week, U.S. President Joe Biden acknowledged the depth of the munitions production problem confronting the alliance. “We need a new industrial policy in the West,” Biden said during a news conference. “It came as a surprise to some of us how we had fallen behind.”




                  The warnings

                  In 2020, two years before Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Army assistant secretary Jette sent a civilian adviser on a mission. Jette ordered adviser Joseph Amadee to visit America’s ammunition plants to answer two fundamental questions: Does the U.S. have enough ammunition on hand for war? And if not, can America’s industrial base move quickly if war breaks out and more ammunition is urgently needed?

                  Amadee, a former PepsiCo and Pillsbury factory executive, had served in the Army and later as an adviser in Iraq. He said he was appalled by what he found.

                  Among the locations he toured were three U.S. munition plants critical to producing the 155mm rounds. The shells contain a high explosive that shatters their metal casing into lethal shrapnel. They are fired from cannons with bags of gunpowder, the propellant.

                  Those three elements – the carefully forged shell casings, the high explosives, and the supplies of the powder to launch the projectiles – have proved crucial since World War I. Also essential: efficient production lines to assemble those components.

                  As he made his tours, Amadee told Reuters, he came across problems he found absurd. In Tennessee, he walked the floor of a new but idled $147 million factory built for use in the explosives process. Parts of the plant were literally gathering cobwebs, he recalled.

                  In Pennsylvania, he toured a dilapidated shell-casing factory first used for the Korean War. It had been lightly used by the military for years in the mid-2010s and was now limping along with no significant upgrades funded. In Iowa, he was briefed on manufacturing flaws, including cracked 155mm shells, that shut down one production line for months. And in Virginia, he visited a $399 million construction project running a decade behind schedule, significantly over budget and still struggling to produce the propellant needed to launch the 155mm shell.

                  Amadee, whose tenure from 2018 to early 2022 spanned Republican and Democrat administrations, said troops on Ukraine’s front lines are now paying the price for a failure to keep 155mm production lines prepared for war.

                  It is a scenario supervisors at the factories, contractors and Army officials openly dreaded in the years before the war, Amadee said.

                  “We were talking about it all the time: ‘What are we going to do if we get into a war here? We can’t just ramp this stuff up in one day. We’re in a bad situation,’” he recalled.




                  Clockwise from top left: Casings for the pivotal 155mm shell are made at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania. The steel bars used to make the casings, stacked here in the railyard, are cut from 20 feet into 14-inch billets weighing 115 pounds, the Army says; A worker tends to a steel billet along the assembly line at the Scranton facility, which began producing shell casings during the Korean War; During a process called “nosing,” the metal shell casing is heated to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit, placed in a press and shaped, the Army says; Workers inspect the shell casings at the Scranton plant. The Army says this site and another one nearby produce about 36,000 shell casings a month; After the 155mm shell casings are produced and inspected at Scranton, they are sent to a different facility where the explosive is loaded inside. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque




                  Reuters reviewed internal Army briefings to generals and top Pentagon officials. Those briefings also reflect such warnings. Operators of the 155mm shell-casing factory in Pennsylvania told Army leaders in 2020 that, without upgrades, they would be incapable of meeting “emerging requirements or wartime surge.” A similar “strategic update” in 2021 cited core “critical” or “immediate” modernization needs at plants where pieces of the 155mm shell are manufactured. The briefing document called for “transformational change across the industrial base.”

                  Without funding and upgrades, contractors told the Army that years-long backlogs and breakdowns at shell factories would only worsen. A confidential June 2021 briefing from contractor General Dynamics-OTS to an Army general noted that absent improvements, production of 155mm shells would fall by half by 2023. A bar chart in the same document showed that, at a key metal-making facility, 83 pieces of equipment used to make the 155mm were more than 50 years old. General Dynamics, which makes shell casings, declined to comment.

                  In the U.S., most plants making 155mm ammunition are owned by the U.S. Army but operated by private contractors. Investment decisions lie with the Pentagon and Congress.

                  Jette, the Army official who dispatched Amadee to survey America’s munitions apparatus, said he pushed hard from inside the system to tackle an obvious problem. In September 2020, Jette went public, warning U.S. lawmakers at a public hearing that upgrading ammunition factories might be expensive, but that “there is greater risk in not doing so.”

                  Representative Donald Norcross, a New Jersey Democrat who then chaired the House Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces, echoed Jette’s concerns, especially about plant safety. At the hearing, he noted the age of the facilities. “Why are fundamentally essential functions of defense manufacturing done in museum-like conditions?” he asked.

                  In a statement to Reuters, Norcross said he began tighter oversight of Army plants in 2019, and he noted that Congress increased by 15% the Pentagon's budget request for munitions facilities to $684 million in fiscal year 2021.

                  “Make no mistake, there was still much to be done heading into 2022,” Norcross said, “but the challenge of ammunition facilities improvement had numerous champions.”




                  In search of supplies

                  Money wasn’t the only problem suppressing the West’s ability to prepare for war. In the decade before Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. military made a key decision about the kind of explosive to use for the 155mm shell and which suppliers to rely on, Reuters found. The choice proved unwise: It not only slowed the production rate but also has left the West struggling to quickly find enough high explosive to ramp up output.

                  That decision involved moving away from using trinitrotoluene, better known as TNT. The explosive is valued for its high stability, according to Thomas Klapotke, a professor of energetics at the University of Munich. That is, it can be melted and poured into shell casings without exploding.

                  Since before World War II, TNT has been mixed with other less-stable “explosive fillers” more familiar to chemists than to laymen – principally more-powerful octogen, called HMX, or hexogen, called RDX. The standard mix used in artillery shells has hardly changed since then, Klapotke said. But with the war in Ukraine, each of these explosives is in short supply.

                  In a forest in western Poland, a complex on the same site where a factory was built by Nazi German occupiers to support an invasion of the Soviet Union now makes thousands of tons of TNT every year. The problem for Ukraine is that the factory, located near the city of Bydgoszcz, is the last surviving TNT plant in Europe or North America.

                  Workers there now work around the clock. It’s run by a state-owned company, Nitro-Chem, and makes about 10,000 tons of TNT per year. The company declined to say exactly how much. A single 155mm round typically requires about 10 kg of TNT. That means that the 10,000 tons of TNT would be enough to provide for about 1 million rounds, if every bit were used for 155mm shells.

                  Much of the TNT made in Poland is shipped to the U.S., according to staff at the plant. It is then packed into shells with other ingredients and added to the shrinking U.S. Army stockpile. The oldest shells are shipped back to Poland and then on to Ukraine.

                  Few countries today produce TNT, primarily because of environmental concerns about contamination from the highly toxic chemicals produced in the manufacturing process.

                  Germany closed its last TNT plant, Schönebeck on the Elbe, in 1990. And in Britain, a TNT plant at Bridgewater in Somerset was closed in 2008, the last of at least four TNT factories in the country dating to World War II.

                  When the Somerset plant was slated for closure, a report by trade unions warned that Britain would lose “all national capability for the production of military explosives.” The report cited the dangers of relying on other suppliers, even allies. After all, the report noted, during the first Gulf War in 1991, Britain had been denied supplies of 155mm ammunition by one of its close allies, Belgium, where the UK had outsourced its shell production to save money.
                  The demand is so high for trinitrotoluene, better known as TNT, that staff work around the clock here at Nitro-Chem plant in Bydgoszcz, Poland. REUTERS/Kacper Pempel
                  Besides the plant in Poland, production of TNT is now concentrated in China and India. Customs records examined by Reuters show at least 1,200 tons of TNT were exported from India in 2023 and 2024 to arms makers that supply Western forces. India also shipped large volumes of the explosive fillers RDX and HMX to Poland’s Nitro-Chem.

                  But both India and China also have tried to maintain good relations with Russia. And neither likely would be able to fill NATO’s needs, even if willing. “You cannot imagine just how overheated the market is at the moment,” said a European defense industry executive. “The worst thing at the moment is the global shortage of TNT and RDX. The shortage of these raw materials is the basic reason why production cannot be ramped up much more at this point.”

                  One factor behind America’s TNT shortage dates back to the presidency of Ronald Reagan. No facility in the U.S. has made TNT since 1986. The Army relied on imports instead.

                  Decades later, in 2014, the Army began trying to transition away from TNT to a different explosive compound called IMX-101. At the time, the Army said IMX-101 was more environmentally friendly and less vulnerable to detonation by accident or terrorist attack.

                  But Reuters learned that last summer, about 17 months into the war in Ukraine, the Army quietly switched back to TNT for cost and efficiency reasons. IMX, while less toxic, also proved to have some environmental downsides of its own.

                  In a statement to Reuters, the Army confirmed for the first time publicly that “the plan changed” and it stopped producing IMX-101 for the 155mm shell last July.

                  “Unexpected world events and the cost of IMX led the Army to abandon IMX-101 and use TNT, which is cheaper.” The years-long use of IMX slowed the production rate such that artillery output is now 25% “higher with TNT than with IMX,” the Army said.
                  Earthen walls protect the production, packing and filling of TNT at the Nitro-Chem plant in Bydgoszcz, Poland. The thick barrier is meant to absorb and deflect energy to prevent an explosion in one building from triggering an explosion in another. REUTERS/Kacper PempelA safety barrier at TNT-maker Nitro-Chem’s plant in Bydgoszcz, Poland is designed at an angle to deflect an accidental explosion upward. REUTERS/Kacper Pempel
                  Even before the war, the IMX endeavor was struggling, Reuters found. After building the $147 million Tennessee plant to handle waste for the program, the Army hasn’t used the facility. The reason: Rather than manufacture precursor IMX chemicals domestically, as planned, the Army imported the chemicals, negating the need for the waste plant, according to contracting records and current and former officials.

                  Army procurement official Bush said the unused IMX facility is an “insurance policy,” adding, “We’re going to use it at some point.”

                  As a result of all these decisions, the Army largely came to depend on the plant in Poland for its TNT supply. And the Army’s contingency plans included relying on another facility: a TNT factory in eastern Ukraine.

                  In 2021, the U.S. began importing TNT from that plant, in Rubizhne in Luhansk province, as part of a long-term $188 million deal. A person familiar with the matter said the U.S. imported about 500 tons of TNT before the war started. In 2022, however, the facility was quickly captured by the Russians. Ukrainian forces destroyed it before retreating.

                  The U.S. has announced plans to build its own $650 million TNT factory. It will take at least two years to complete.




                  Finding a war footing

                  In late May, inside a Ukrainian bunker not far from the front, tensions ran high among brigade commanders. Russia was on the offensive. A bank of screens showed drone-surveillance video of a stretch of frontline north of Ukraine’s second city, Kharkiv.

                  On May 10, Russia had launched a surprise attack, smashing through flimsy border defenses to take more than 700 square kilometers in the nine days after. The brigade was holding the line along a 20-kilometer sector north of the town of Lyptsi.

                  Sitting to one side, the commander for artillery watched another feed – radar showing the loopy path of two Russian Orlan drones. The drones were monitoring Ukrainian positions and calling in salvos of deadly Russian artillery fire.

                  Colonel Ihor Obolenskyy, who’s in charge of the brigade, said the “duel of artillery between the enemy and us” was constant. After new supplies were rushed to the front to help repel the advance, Obolenskyy said he had, at the moment, sufficient 155mm rounds.
                  “Why are fundamentally essential functions of defense manufacturing done in museum-like conditions?”
                  Representative Donald Norcross, a New Jersey Democrat and former chair of the U.S. House Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces
                  Ukrainian servicemen fire an American 155mm turreted self-propelled howitzer M109 toward Russian troops in the Kharkiv region last year. Until Ukrainian forces ran short of 155mm shells, commanders there say the exchange of artillery with Russian forces was constant. REUTERS/Sofiia Gatilova
                  But there was a different problem. Firing an artillery shell requires gunpowder, the propellant that is loaded separately and launches the shell when detonated. And to hit enemy positions, the Ukrainian guns need to fire their 155mm cannons at full range – about 25 kilometers.

                  The gunpowder, supplied in what he called “big tubes,” was in short supply. “We have a lot of projectiles but not a lot of big tubes,” he said. That meant the range of his guns was restricted.

                  The shortage of gunpowder presents yet another dire issue for Ukrainian forces – and for the West. It is made from nitrocellulose, a compound created by treating natural cellulose fibers such as cotton with nitric acid. The process is difficult and dangerous.

                  As with the TNT plants, Western countries have spent the years since the end of the Cold War closing powder plants. The last in the United Kingdom were shuttered in 1998, and plants closed in Romania in 2004 and in Bergerac, France, in 2007, all due to insufficient orders. Germany’s Rheinmetall has retained powder production in Aschau, Bavaria and in Wimmis, Switzerland, but those plants are unable to meet current demands.

                  The U.S. Army’s sole nitrocellulose plant is located in rural Virginia. It opened in 1941 and though it is still operating, recent Army budget documents say the plant has “exceeded its useful life” and breakdowns are routine. A recent equipment failure there caused one production line to close for six weeks, said a person familiar with the matter. “The place is very fragile,” he said of the plant.

                  In 2012, the Army signed a deal to replace it with a modern plant that would be far more efficient, safe, and environmentally sound. The new facility would also reduce reliance on foreign suppliers. It was to open around 2015 and cost about $245 million.

                  The nitrocellulose project, however, is a decade behind schedule, and costs have soared to $399 million. Internal Army records and federal court records blame delays and cost overruns on contractor and subcontractor incompetence. Subcontractor Fluor Federal Solutions paid $14.5 million to settle U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission charges related to the project. Fluor and contractor BAE Systems OSI have declined to comment, citing ongoing litigation over the matter.

                  The Army said the new nitrocellulose factory is “in the final stages of commissioning and qualification.” But it is not yet producing large quantities of nitrocellulose for military use. The “prove out” process – getting the chemical mix just right – could take years, people briefed on the matter said. The Army said it hopes to have the process honed by December. It said the delay has had “no impact” on the Ukrainian war effort because the legacy plant still functions.
                  In May, the U.S. Army opened a new 155mm production facility in Mesquite, Texas. Near Dallas, the $500 million facility is expected to begin making war-ready shells in the fall, officials said. It is operated by General Dynamics-OTS. REUTERS/Shelby Tauber
                  Russia, meanwhile, has been expanding several gunpowder plants, all that date back to at least World War II. Its plant at the city of Kazan once made gunpowder for Catherine the Great. Even after demand fell following the collapse of the USSR, Russia managed to keep open its plants there and in Perm and Tambov, in part by diversifying into the supply of liquid nitrocellulose for civilian use as paints or lacquer.

                  In an interview with Reuters, Lieutenant-Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of the NATO military committee, said Russia had shown it could rapidly adopt a war economy and “order their industry to give priority to the war in Ukraine.” The challenge facing Western democracies, he said, is to show they too can marshal their huge industrial resources.

                  In Europe, an effort to increase the 155mm supply is beginning to pay off. Total shell production there now surpasses U.S. output, and according to a NATO official, the alliance is on track to make 2 million shells this year. “We are making progress but we are not complacent about the scale of the challenge,” the official said.

                  In the U.S., the Army took reporters on a tour in April of the recently updated shell plant in Scranton, Pennsylvania. There, officials showed off new modern lathe machine tools from South Korea. Some were still in shrink wrap.

                  And in May, the secretary of the Army showcased the grand opening of a state-of-the-art facility near Dallas, which will rely heavily on robots to make 155mm shells.

                  Still, those new machines aren’t expected to begin producing war-ready shells until the fall. Although total U.S. monthly shell production might jump from 36,000 to 60,000 by year’s end, officials say it isn’t expected to reach the goal of 100,000 for another 18 months.

                  Back on the frontline, Ukraine’s soldiers hope the efforts work – fast.

                  One lieutenant who commanded a gun in the southern Donetsk region told Reuters that for months, he had fired so infrequently that the Russians didn’t even bother to shell his position. New supplies have arrived, he said, but he feared they were too late and too little to stop the Russians.

                  “What we have is still a pittance,” Oleksander said. “We are retreating village by village until we reach our homes.”
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • I disagree with the articles. We fought 4 wars (Kuwait, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq) where 155 munitions were never the issue. That's because we massed the necessary airpower to negate enemy fire.The Kuwait War, the Iraqis managed to mass as much artillery as the Russians currently do and it still did squat all against us. There's no way the Russians can answer the air artillery we can muster and it's not our fault that we never taken the Ukraine scenario into our equations. We would have carpet bombed Russian formations from day 1.
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                    • No-one can really be blamed failing to predict the Russian invasion of Ukraine far enough in advance to ramp up munitions production in any meaningful way. However they CAN be blamed for not replacing expended munitions used in post cold war conflicts to levels somewhere near what they were prior to the end of the cold war. The armed forces are supposed to plan for major conflicts not assume everything from now on will be all 'peace, love and moonbeams' till the end of history.
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                      • Those WWIII armies are gone, never to return. We don't even have the manpower to man those numbers, let alone use those firepower numbers. We can't and won't go back to 80,000 nukes. The same can be said across the board with whatever WWIII numbers you want to cite.
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                        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Those WWIII armies are gone, never to return. We don't even have the manpower to man those numbers, let alone use those firepower numbers. We can't and won't go back to 80,000 nukes. The same can be said across the board with whatever WWIII numbers you want to cite.
                          Armies of that size? Obviously. My point, poorly explained as it was is that armies of the period had stockpiled sufficient ammunition based on their potential need to fight a major conflict. For want of a better explanation? Just say they knew the number of guns available and multiplied it by anticipated usage rates (in a major conflict). Even with reduced manpower (and guns) today that formula should still apply. Number of guns (now) x anticipated usage - in a major conflict. Western armies just walked away from the possibility of ever having to fight one again.
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                          • With or without the USAF?
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                            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              With or without the USAF?
                              Including the USAF. Obviously the ability of smart weapons to detect and hit targets with pinpoint accuracy (on paper) these days is a vast force magnifier of the USAF. But I did stress the idea of being prepared to fight a major war i.e. one fought against one or more near peer adversaries. And the west has had what? Two decades or so to monitor the rise of both Putin and China. It did what?
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                                Originally posted by Monash View Post
                                Including the USAF. Obviously the ability of smart weapons to detect and hit targets with pinpoint accuracy (on paper) these days is a vast force magnifier of the USAF.
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                                Originally posted by Monash View Post
                                But I did stress the idea of being prepared to fight a major war i.e. one fought against one or more near peer adversaries. And the west has had what? Two decades or so to monitor the rise of both Putin and China. It did what?
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