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  • Su-57 Felon Struck Deep Inside Russia, Ukraine’s Spy Agency Claims
    Both Ukrainian and Russian sources say that for the first time an Su-57 Felon, Moscow’s most advanced combat aircraft, was struck.

    At least one and maybe two Su-57 Felon fighters, Moscow’s most advanced warplanes, were struck by drones at an airbase deep inside Russia, the Ukrainian Defense Intelligence Directorate (GUR) claimed. GUR posted satellite images on social media it says show one of the aircraft was damaged. The extent of that damage is unclear at the moment, but it would be the first known instance of these aircraft being damaged or destroyed as a result of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

    “On June 8, 2024, a Su-57 multi-purpose fighter of the aggressor state was hit on the territory of the Akhtubinsk airfield in the Astrakhan region of the Russian Federation, located 589 kilometers (365 miles) from the line of combat,” GUR wrote on its Telegram channel Sunday. “The pictures show that on the seventh of June the Su-57 was standing intact, and on the eighth, there were ruptures from the explosion and characteristic spots of the fire caused by the fire damage near it.”


    Before and after satellite images published by the Ukrainian Defense Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of a strike on a Russian Su-57 Felon new-generation fighter. GUR
    The imagery shows an Su-57 sitting under a framework for a shelter without any covering and what appears to be at least one major blotch on the tarmac right next to it. This, along with what may be a small crater, could be indicative of a strike. Another possible impact area is seen just above and to the right of the first, although this area was partially discolored prior to the supposed strike. The Su-57 also has large white blotches on its upper fuselage near where the primary blast would have occurred. It isn't clear what this is, but it appears unusual. Tarps covering damage are a possible explanation. While the aircraft appears intact, the blast and especially the shrapnel from such a nearby detonation would have very likely riddled it with holes and caused other damage.
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    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • Rheinmetall enters USD9.1 billion 155 mm shell contract for Bundeswehr and Ukraine

      That's a lot of shells, I'm guessing...

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      • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
        In technical terms....it's a butt load!
        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
          That's a lot of shells, I'm guessing...
          About 2.4 million shells. It's an expansion of a previous contract that was worth 1.5 billion Euro.

          This contract is basically about Rheinmetall building a new ammunition factory and the Bundeswehr reserving the right to buy the entire output for the next 10 years - and ordering 250,000 shells initially to give Rheinmetall the money to build it.
          Last edited by kato; 23 Jun 24,, 06:48.

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          • Multiple news sites are reporting claims by Ukraine that their forces have sunk/destroyed two more Russian landing ships in the Black Sea at or near Sebastopol. Unfortunately as Forbes Magazine has noted this success may now make little difference due to the fact Russia had completed a new rail link through southern Ukrainian territory capable of replacing such losses.

            It would probably stiĺl be a good idea for the Ukrainians to take out one or two more of these vessels if they get the opportunity (Putin transferred several additional transports to the Black seas fleet prior to his invasion) just to marginalize Russias sea lift capacity in theatre but reportedy the new rail link and the bridge combined would seem to have effectively surplanted sea transportation for resupply purposes. And rail links are much harder targets to destroy.
            Last edited by Monash; 23 Jun 24,, 23:56.
            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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            • Putin's strategy is now simple. He's fighting an industrial war. I don't care what ISW is saying that Russia is fighting a positional war. She isn't. It's attrition. Pure and simple. Zelansky can't win an industrial war. The US/NATO is unwilling to pay for such an Ukrainian victory.

              For such a victory, countries like Canada must be willing to send all 100+ LEO 2s. 100+ CF18s, 100 155mm guns to the UKR. And we're just one of 31 who must do this. We're not! None of NATO is!
              Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 25 Jun 24,, 04:46.
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              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                Putin's strategy is now simple. He's fighting an industrial war. I don't care what ISW is saying that Russia is fighting a positional war. She isn't. It's attrition. Pure and simple. Zelansky can't win an industrial war. The US/NATO is unwilling to pay for such an Ukrainian victory.

                For such a victory, countries like Canada must be willing to send all 100+ LEO 2s. 100+ CF18s, 100 155mm guns to the UKR. And we're just one of 31 who must do this. We're not! None of NATO is!
                Well based on the results of its latest offensive operation towards Kharkiv Russia isn't exactly 'winning' either. It's had about as much success with that offensive as the Ukrainians did with their effort in the south last year i.e. very little. IMO Putin is banking on a Trump win later this year. If he gets it? It's a whole new ball game. If he doesn't? Negotiation are the only way out. Even the kowtowed Russian populace has limits re; how long their prepared to suffer the consequences of this war. And it won't be the decade or more Russia would need (based on current progress) to seize most of Ukraine.
                Last edited by Monash; 27 Jun 24,, 00:51.
                If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                • Former President Trump's key national security advisors, 2 former chiefs of his NSC, are saying the quiet part out loud. Bottomline is a vote for Trump is a loss of any kind of victory for Ukraine. Also a Trump Presidency guarantees at least 4 years of Ukraine not becoming a NATO member, just about guaranteeing time for Russia to rearm and reorganize and attack again in 26-27.


                  Exclusive: Trump handed plan to halt US military aid to Kyiv unless it talks peace with Moscow | Reuters

                  Exclusive: Trump handed plan to halt US military aid to Kyiv unless it talks peace with Moscow

                  By Gram Slattery and Simon Lewis
                  June 25, 202410:51 AM EDTUpdated 12 min ago





                  A volunteer who aspire to join the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces attends basic training, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, at an undisclosed location in the Kyiv region, Ukraine January 9, 2024. REUTERS/Viacheslav Ratynskyi/

                  WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - Two key advisers to Donald Trump have presented him with a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine - if he wins the Nov. 5 presidential election - that involves telling Ukraine it will only get more U.S. weapons if it enters peace talks.
                  The United States would at the same time warn Moscow that any refusal to negotiate would result in increased U.S. support for Ukraine, retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, one of Trump's national security advisers, said in an interview.

                  Under the plan drawn up by Kellogg and Fred Fleitz, who both served as chiefs of staff in Trump's National Security Council during his 2017-2021 presidency, there would be a ceasefire based on prevailing battle lines during peace talks, Fleitz said.
                  They have presented their strategy to Trump, and the Republican presidential candidate responded favorably, Fleitz added. "I'm not claiming he agreed with it or agreed with every word of it, but we were pleased to get the feedback we did," he said.

                  Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said only statements made by Trump or authorized members of his campaign should be deemed official.
                  The strategy outlined by Kellogg and Fleitz is the most detailed plan yet by associates of Trump, who has said he could quickly settle the war in Ukraine if he beats President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 election, though he has not said how he would do that.
                  The proposal would mark a big shift in the U.S. position on the war and would face opposition from European allies and within Trump's own Republican Party.


                  The Kremlin said any peace plan proposed by a possible future Trump administration would have to reflect the reality on the ground but that Russian President Vladimir Putin remained open to talks.
                  "The value of any plan lies in the nuances and in taking into account the real state of affairs on the ground," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Reuters.
                  "President Putin has repeatedly said that Russia has been and remains open to negotiations, taking into account the real state of affairs on the ground," he said.

                  Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said on Tuesday that freezing hostilities at the prevailing front lines would be "strange," given Russia had violated international law by invading Ukraine.
                  "Ukraine has an absolutely clear understanding and it is spelled out in the peace formula proposed by President (Volodymyr) Zelenskiy, it is clearly stated there - peace can only be fair and peace can only be based on international law," he told Reuters.
                  The White House National Security Council said the Biden administration would not force Ukraine into negotiations with Russia.
                  "President Biden believes that any decisions about negotiations are up to Ukraine," said NSC spokesperson Adrienne Watson.

                  NATO MEMBERSHIP ON HOLD

                  The core elements of the plan were outlined in a publicly available research paper, opens new tab published by the "America First Policy Institute," a Trump-friendly think tank where Kellogg and Fleitz hold leadership positions.
                  Kellogg said it would be crucial to get Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table quickly if Trump wins the election.
                  "We tell the Ukrainians, 'You've got to come to the table, and if you don't come to the table, support from the United States will dry up,'" he said. "And you tell Putin, 'He's got to come to the table and if you don't come to the table, then we'll give Ukrainians everything they need to kill you in the field.'"
                  According to their research paper, Moscow would also be coaxed to the table with the promise of NATO membership for Ukraine being put off for an extended period.
                  Russia invaded neighboring Ukraine in February 2022. Until some gains by Russia in recent months, the front lines barely moved since the end of that year, despite tens of thousands of dead on both sides in relentless trench warfare, the bloodiest fighting in Europe since World War Two.
                  Fleitz said Ukraine need not formally cede territory to Russia under their plan. Still, he said, Ukraine was unlikely to regain effective control of all its territory in the near term.
                  "Our concern is that this has become a war of attrition that's going to kill a whole generation of young men," he said.
                  A lasting peace in Ukraine would require additional security guarantees for Ukraine, Kellogg and Fleitz said. Fleitz added that "arming Ukraine to the teeth" was likely to be a key element of that.
                  "President Trump has repeatedly stated that a top priority in his second term will be to quickly negotiate an end to the Russia-Ukraine war," Trump spokesperson Cheung said.
                  Biden campaign spokesperson James Singer said Trump is not interested in standing up to Putin or defending democracy.

                  UPPER HAND

                  Some Republicans will be reticent to pay for more resources to Ukraine under the plan. The U.S. has spent more than $70 billion on military aid for Ukraine since Moscow's invasion.
                  "What (Trump's supporters) want to do is reduce aid, if not turn off the spigot," said Charles Kupchan, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.
                  Putin said this month that the war could end if Ukraine agreed to drop its ambitions to join NATO and hand over four eastern and southern provinces claimed by Russia.
                  During a meeting of the United Nations Security Council last week, French and British ambassadors reiterated their view that peace can only be sought when Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory, a position Kyiv shares.
                  Several analysts also expressed concern that the plan by Kellogg and Fleitz could give Moscow the upper hand in talks.
                  "What Kellogg is describing is a process slanted toward Ukraine giving up all of the territory that Russia now occupies," said Daniel Fried, a former assistant secretary of state who worked on Russia policy.
                  During a podcast interview last week, Trump ruled out committing U.S. troops to Ukraine and appeared skeptical of making Ukraine a NATO member. He has indicated he would quickly move to cut aid to Kyiv if elected.
                  Biden has consistently pushed for more Ukraine aid, and his administration supports its eventual ascension to NATO. Earlier this month, Biden and Zelenskiy signed a 10-year bilateral security agreement.
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • A vote in Trump is a vote in the destruction of NATO and a hug to Putin.

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                    • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                      a hug to Putin.
                      More like a blank check...

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                      • During Trumps term as president, it seemed to me he was angling for the US to withdraw from NATO!
                        So I asked in a couple of forums if he had the mandate to carry through with that, and got widely divergent answers.
                        The one that I liked best was, that since it was a treaty approved by Congress, he would need a 2/3 majority in both houses to implement such a move. Others claimed that as CIC he did have such a mandate.
                        Maybe this time someone could provide a clear answer!
                        When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin

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                        • Originally posted by Amled View Post
                          During Trumps term as president, it seemed to me he was angling for the US to withdraw from NATO!
                          So I asked in a couple of forums if he had the mandate to carry through with that, and got widely divergent answers.
                          The one that I liked best was, that since it was a treaty approved by Congress, he would need a 2/3 majority in both houses to implement such a move. Others claimed that as CIC he did have such a mandate.
                          Maybe this time someone could provide a clear answer!
                          He can't actually withdraw from NATO, on paper. However, if I'm not mistaken, he can order the US military to cease cooperating with NATO, cease participating in NATO training exercises etc.

                          Regardless of treaties, he's still the CinC and the military must follow his lawful orders. To the best of my knowledge, there is no law that the US military must work with NATO.

                          For a certainty, he will yank every last US advisor out any role that involves aiding Ukraine and order the military to cease all activities in support of Ukraine.

                          That man is the single greatest threat to US democracy and the free world's fight against Putin.
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • You are right, Joe. Failure to support in participate in NATO activities is a treaty violation but is not a violation of public law. But since some treaties are more equal than others...it could reach the level of high crimes & misdemeanors...again. And if Mr Trump wins & the GOP holds the Senate then nothing bars him.

                            NATO's best long term health entails NATO becoming more Euro-Centric & less US Centric. This war has opened wide many eyes which were glibly shut. And I always want to point out the nation which NATO stepped up most in their hour of need was the US in the wake of 9/11. I witnessed firsthand, tangible support provided by NATO forces to the US in fall 2001 and well into 2003 in the security surrounding US facilities in Germany, Italy & Holland. Soldiers of those nations guarded ALL installations & activities where US citizens operated. That included our Department of Defense Dependent Schools in communities there. All were ringed in barbed wire and armed soldiers and roving patrols on every installation. When needed NATO can step up and has.

                            By becoming less dependent on the US they will be stronger. And going forward I see a NATO strengthened by a triumvirate of France, Germany & Poland bolstered by Sweden & Finland.

                            And I expect Ukraine to be in NATO by the 2028 elections.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                            Mark Twain

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                            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                              And I expect Ukraine to be in NATO by the 2028 elections.
                              Wow, quite the prognostication. Hopefully if still around and not swallowed up by Ahab who is obsessed with retribution...

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                              • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                                Wow, quite the prognostication. Hopefully if still around and not swallowed up by Ahab who is obsessed with retribution...
                                They have already hit a lot of the gates. Need to push forward some reforms. But I think 2032 is a shoe-in.
                                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                                Mark Twain

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