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  • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

    Not seeing it. Any links?
    The Russian "governor" of Sevastopol has confirmed the attack, still hunting for iron-clad proof of the results.

    If true, that means, to date, 4 Rapucha's totally destroyed, plus two more heavily damaged.

    Ukrainian Forces Use Storm Shadow Missiles to Target Two Russian Navy Ropucha-class landing ships
    In a bold military operation carried out during the night between March 23 and 24, 2024, Ukrainian forces launched a devastating attack on key Russian naval assets in Crimea. Utilizing Storm Shadow cruise missiles, a sophisticated weapon in Kyiv's arsenal, the Ukrainian military successfully targeted and destroyed two Russian Navy Ropucha-class landing ships, the “Azov” and the “Yamal,” at their berths in the Crimean port of Sevastopol.


    Ukraine claims that the Azov Russian Navy landing ship was one of the two vessels destroyed by its armed forces. (Picture source: kchf.ru)


    Simultaneously, three Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missiles wrought havoc on the Russian Black Sea Fleet Communications Center in Sevastopol, further crippling the naval capabilities and infrastructure of the Russian Federation in the strategically crucial Black Sea region. The Russian-installed governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozhaev, confirmed the attack in a Telegram post on March 24, 2024, describing the offensive as a "massive overnight missile attack" by Kyiv.

    This latest operation is part of a series of calculated strikes by Ukraine aimed at diminishing the maritime strength and logistical support capabilities of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea. These attacks underscore Kyiv's growing military proficiency and its determination to reclaim control over Crimea, annexed by Russia in 2014, and disrupt Russian military operations in the region.

    In a recent operation, Ukrainian forces deployed naval drones to target the Sergei Kotov patrol ship in the vicinity of the Kerch Strait, which connects the Black Sea with the Sea of Azov. This was confirmed by Ukraine's military intelligence unit.

    During the December 2023 offensive, Ukraine's military reported the destruction of the Novocherkassk landing ship in the port of Feodosia, Crimea, using long-range cruise missiles. The Russian Defense Ministry acknowledged that the vessel was damaged in the assault, though Russian military bloggers have claimed it was completely destroyed.

    Additionally, the Ukrainian armed forces have initiated a relentless campaign of cruise missile and drone strikes against Russian radar installations, air defense systems, and air bases throughout Crimea, a territory annexed by Russia in 2014. Adding to Moscow's troubles, Ukrainian forces successfully shot down two Russian early warning and control planes over the Sea of Azov in the months of January and February, significantly impacting Russia's intelligence capabilities.

    These operations are part of a series of effective Ukrainian assaults carried out earlier in the conflict. Notable among these was the sinking of the Moskva, the Black Sea fleet's flagship missile cruiser, in April 2022, and a precise missile attack on the fleet’s headquarters located in Sevastopol's port in September of the previous year.

    The Ropucha-class landing ships, named “Azov” and “Yamal,” are amphibious assault vessels designed to transport troops, tanks, and equipment from sea to shore. With a displacement of around 4,000 tons and a length of 112 meters, these ships play a pivotal role in enabling naval infantry operations, including beach landings and supply missions. Their destruction represents a significant loss to the Russian naval capabilities in the theater of operations around the Black Sea.

    The Storm Shadow cruise missiles, central to this operation, are long-range, air-launched precision weapons capable of striking high-value targets with remarkable accuracy. Developed jointly by the UK and France, these missiles have a range of approximately 250 kilometers and can carry a powerful conventional warhead. Their use in the attack on Russian naval assets in Crimea demonstrates Ukraine's strategic deployment of advanced weaponry to challenge Russian military dominance in the region effectively.

    The Storm Shadow missiles have been delivered to Ukraine by the United Kingdom and France. The UK confirmed its delivery of these long-range missiles to Ukraine, which marked a significant enhancement of Kyiv's military capabilities, especially for targeting areas in Russian-occupied Crimea. France has also committed its SCALP missiles, which are the French equivalent of the Storm Shadow, further bolstering Ukraine's arsenal with this advanced weaponry.

    This series of attacks not only signifies a tactical victory for Ukraine but also sends a clear message regarding its resilience and the evolving dynamics of the conflict in Eastern Europe. As the situation develops, the international community watches closely, understanding the implications of these strikes on the broader geopolitical landscape and the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
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    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      Last edited by Monash; 24 Mar 24,, 23:03.
      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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      • Thanks, Joe. I heard of the com center strike but not this.
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        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
          Apparently Ukraine just took out two more Russian Ropucha-class landing ships.
          I'm not really seeing the damage this time around. Maybe other photos will emerge that show more.
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          • So...interesting. I may have been too quick to say definitively it was ISIS. I think smart money is still there but read a report last night from a former FSB LTC who said this was an FSB false flag op. I will try to find it again on Twitter but he makes a very cogent argument.
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            • Seeing hit the Ivan Khurs reconnaissance ship in Sevastopol now.

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              • Any photos of the Ivan Khurs or better photos of the landing ships?
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                • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                  So...interesting. I may have been too quick to say definitively it was ISIS. I think smart money is still there but read a report last night from a former FSB LTC who said this was an FSB false flag op. I will try to find it again on Twitter but he makes a very cogent argument.
                  Putin has now publicly stated that radical Islamist's were behind the attack. But that Ukraine was also involved ..... somehow!

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...rt-hall-attack
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                  • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                    So...interesting. I may have been too quick to say definitively it was ISIS. I think smart money is still there but read a report last night from a former FSB LTC who said this was an FSB false flag op. I will try to find it again on Twitter but he makes a very cogent argument.
                    If the FSB was going to do something like this they would make it more obviously Ukrainian - enough that their useful idiots in the West would be more easily able to use it to attack Ukraine. Making it an IS attack just doesn't do that. Russians might believe what Putin tells them, but that was already happening anyway. This is almost certainly what it looks like - ISIS-K taking advantage of a distracted Russian security state.
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                    • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

                      If the FSB was going to do something like this they would make it more obviously Ukrainian - enough that their useful idiots in the West would be more easily able to use it to attack Ukraine. Making it an IS attack just doesn't do that. Russians might believe what Putin tells them, but that was already happening anyway. This is almost certainly what it looks like - ISIS-K taking advantage of a distracted Russian security state.
                      Then this is a new brand of ISIS. No suicide vests. Clumsy with weapons. Doesn't match previous MOs. So it appears they have morphed.
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                      • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                        Then this is a new brand of ISIS. No suicide vests. Clumsy with weapons. Doesn't match previous MOs. So it appears they have morphed.
                        I can think of a few reasons that might be so, but in the end they killed people as effectively as previous ISIS killers.
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                        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                          Then this is a new brand of ISIS. No suicide vests. Clumsy with weapons. Doesn't match previous MOs. So it appears they have morphed.
                          In crowded environments like football stadiums, rallies (and rock concerts ) where people are often packed in tightly together suicide vests can sometimes be counterproductive. The 'problem' is that the blast wave and shrapnel injuries in densely packed crowed are absorbed by the bodies of the victims immediately around the bomber/detonation point with the degree of injury rapidly diminishing with distance in concentric circles of victims. Basically human beings become impact attenuators like those water filled barriers you see along busy roads.

                          Plus if (as appears to be the case in this incident) lax security at the entry points to the concert meant the attackers could get automatic firearms into the venue? Finally if, as also appears to have been the case either negligence or pre-planning by the terrorists meant the fire exists were blocked? Molotov cocktails gain 'optimal effectiveness'. Especially if the attackers were guarding the only open exit points'.

                          Lastly ISIS cell structure means there's no such thing as consistent training or standards across the organization. So like all insurgencies everywhere, good or bad (and the US Marine Corp of course ) ISIS adapts, improvises and (tries to) overcome. Mostly they fail. Sometimes sadly not. If it's any consolation though to the victims families it doesn't look like the FSB is going to be subtle when it comes to seeking retribution. Note: I'd have used the word 'justice' but its Russia we're talking about.
                          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                          • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                            Any photos of the Ivan Khurs or better photos of the landing ships?
                            They're large enough targets that you'd think privately owned satellite imagery would show if they'd been sunk/seriously damaged.
                            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                            • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68663043

                              …Russia blames West and Kyiv for jihadist massacre…
                              That Putin and the Kremlin have always been aficionados of the concept of “The Big Lie” is not news.
                              That can be seen in all its glory, in their treatment of the Moscow Massacre!
                              What started as an attempt to cast blame on Ukraine has now grown to a major conspiracy, involving Ukraine, USA, Great Britain and Islamists!
                              All without a shred of proof!!!
                              To paraphrase from an old film:
                              “…evidence… what evidence…, we don’t need no stinking evidence…”

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ
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                              • Originally posted by Monash View Post

                                In crowded environments like football stadiums, rallies (and rock concerts ) where people are often packed in tightly together suicide vests can sometimes be counterproductive. The 'problem' is that the blast wave and shrapnel injuries in densely packed crowed are absorbed by the bodies of the victims immediately around the bomber/detonation point with the degree of injury rapidly diminishing with distance in concentric circles of victims. Basically human beings become impact attenuators like those water filled barriers you see along busy roads.

                                Plus if (as appears to be the case in this incident) lax security at the entry points to the concert meant the attackers could get automatic firearms into the venue? Finally if, as also appears to have been the case either negligence or pre-planning by the terrorists meant the fire exists were blocked? Molotov cocktails gain 'optimal effectiveness'. Especially if the attackers were guarding the only open exit points'.

                                Lastly ISIS cell structure means there's no such thing as consistent training or standards across the organization. So like all insurgencies everywhere, good or bad (and the US Marine Corp of course ) ISIS adapts, improvises and (tries to) overcome. Mostly they fail. Sometimes sadly not. If it's any consolation though to the victims families it doesn't look like the FSB is going to be subtle when it comes to seeking retribution. Note: I'd have used the word 'justice' but its Russia we're talking about.
                                The suicide vests is less for inflicting damage on the crowd as a way to take down 1st responders and not be captured.

                                ISIS across the board has shown a high level of small arms training regardless of where and how they came from. Fumbling with the machine gun and belt is definitely against character of what we have seen in the past from them.

                                My points were not to disagree with ypu but to absolutely agree with your comment that they morph as they go forward.
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