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Dear god...
“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.” -
It's been claimed it was either filled with Shaheed drones, or at least used to transport them in the past."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."Comment
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Russia "confirms damage" to Novocherkassk.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67821515
Both Russians and Ukrainians claim that it was aircraft firing guided missiles that hit the Novocherkassk.
I think it's safe to say, she's dead, Jim. Nothing but a twisted pile of floating scrap metal. While the Minsk looks to have been functionally destroyed (Russians claim it will be repaired, doubtful), the Novocherkassk attack looks to have had much more... complete results.
Last edited by Ironduke; 26 Dec 23,, 16:49."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."Comment
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That fire ball is ammunition cooking off. Notice the smoke trails and continued low order explosions after the big fire ball. Those munitions are what tore that ship apart. And the Soviets/Russians are notorious of having all kinds of munitions on deck.Originally posted by Ironduke View Post“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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That won't rub out.Originally posted by Ironduke View PostRussia "confirms damage" to Novocherkassk.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67821515
Both Russians and Ukrainians claim that it was aircraft firing guided missiles that hit the Novocherkassk.
I think it's safe to say, she's dead, Jim. Nothing but a twisted pile of floating scrap metal. While the Minsk looks to have been functionally destroyed (Russians claim it will be repaired, doubtful), the Novocherkassk attack looks to have had much more... complete results.
And now it can join the formation with the Moskva!“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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Surprised those buildings aren't heavily scorched or otherwise damaged.
“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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Out of curiosity how many active LSTs does that leave Russia with in the Black Sea?If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.Comment
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5...allegedly. Although considering how little they actually sortie, I don't know if that matters one way or anotherOriginally posted by Monash View Post“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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Well the Ukis need to keep whittling them down. That and any civie transports being used by the Russians for military cargo transfers to Crimea.Originally posted by TopHatter View PostIf you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.Comment
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Here's the best quality photo I've been able to find.
Below the second quay crane from the left, there are a row of windows from what was the superstructure. I think that's where the bridge was.
Last edited by Ironduke; 27 Dec 23,, 05:24."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."Comment
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It would have to have sucked to be a crane operator doing a late night shift when she went up.
But then again Moscow claims only one person was killed when she was hit and that the Novocherkassk was only 'damaged'. So I'm sure it will all be fine and she'll be re-floated in no time
If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.Comment
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I think 6 are operational in the BSF, with another 3 currently non-operational - 2 of which were due to damage inflicted by Ukraine. The Russians reinforced the BSF with another six Ropucha-class ships around 9 Feb 22, in addition to the five already assigned to the BSF, just before the full-scale invasion and subsequent closure of the Turkish Straits to warships.Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
This is the current list of Ropucha-class landing ships in the Black Sea. 10 were operational on 22 Feb 22, with an 11th (seized from Ukraine in 2014) never having been made operational after its seizure and induction into the Russian Navy.- Korolev
- Minsk (damaged, likely functionally destroyed 13 Sept 23 at Sevastopol)
- Kaliningrad
- Pyotr Morgunov
- Georgy Pobedonosets
- Olenegorsky Gornyak (damaged 4 Aug 23 at Novorossiysk, non-operational)
- Azov
- Caesar Kunikov (damaged 24 Mar 22 at Berdiansk, non-operational)
- Yamal
- Novocherkassk (damaged 24 Mar 22 at Berdiansk, destroyed 26 Dec 23 at Feodosia)
- Konstantin Olshansky (seized from Ukraine 2014, not operational since)
- Saratov (destroyed 24 Mar 22 at Berdiansk)
- Orsk (active)
Last edited by Ironduke; 27 Dec 23,, 14:11."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."Comment
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Yeah...about at damaged as the Titanic!Originally posted by Monash View PostIt would have to have sucked to be a crane operator doing a late night shift when she went up.
But then again Moscow claims only one person was killed when she was hit and that the Novocherkassk was only 'damaged'. So I'm sure it will all be fine and she'll be re-floated in no time“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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Not to digress from discussions of Russia's latest naval faux pas but this was TOO MUCH. Over-the-top fun. 1420 always does a great job but, this...This was next level excellence.
83 years old and she NAILS it, ripping not just Putin but a whole nation of dumb asses. She couldn't be more succinct, alert, knowledgable and has become my inspiration and heroine.Last edited by S2; 28 Dec 23,, 00:16."This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
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Bless her!“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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