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  • Has everyone forgotten the Nov Kilos just signed a big shipment of ammo and rockets? We don't know if that include guns and launchers. And we won't know until we see the first trains leaving the DPRK.

    Uniforms and boots are damned easy. The Chinese got entire warehouses of them. Just need the regt badge.
    Chimo

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    • To paraphrase..."Aeroflot is ready when you are!"

      Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up | Reuters



      Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up


      By Caleb Davis


      A man looks at a flight information board at the departure zone of Vnukovo International Airport in Moscow, Russia December 30, 2020. REUTERS/Evgenia Novozhenina
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      GDANSK, Sept 21 (Reuters) - One-way flights out of Russia were rocketing in price and selling out fast on Wednesday after President Vladimir Putin ordered the immediate call-up of 300,000 reservists.

      Putin's announcement, made in an early-morning television address, raised fears that some men of fighting age would not be allowed to leave the country.

      Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said the call-up would be limited to those with experience as professional soldiers, and that students and conscripts would not be called up. read more



      The Kremlin declined to comment on whether the borders would be closed to those subject to the mobilisation order, and asked people to be patient as the law is clarified. read more

      Meanwhile, Google Trends data showed a spike in searches for Aviasales, Russia's most popular flight-booking site.

      Direct flights from Moscow to Istanbul in Turkey and Yerevan in Armenia, both destinations that allow Russians to enter without a visa, were sold out on Wednesday, according to Aviasales data.



      Flights from Moscow to Istanbul via Turkish Airlines were either all booked or unavailable until Sunday, as of 1415 Moscow time (1115 GMT).

      Some routes with stopovers, including those from Moscow to Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia, were also unavailable, while the cheapest flights to Dubai cost more than 300,000 roubles ($5,000) - about five times the average monthly wage.

      Typical one-way fares to Turkey shot up to almost 70,000 roubles ($1,150), compared with a little over 22,000 roubles a week ago, Google Flights data shows.
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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      • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        The old Logistician and Trainer in me has to wonder...

        2. I am not concerned about small arms for these Soldiers...but what other gear can they pull out of storage. I think we were reading in early to mid Summer the systems in reserve are BMP-1/BTR-60/70/ early T-64 mods or T-62s. There aren't any 1S19's to go around.
        Yeah I'm sure there's enough AK's to go around the world twice, ditto ammunition. But how about other gear? Uniforms, cold weather equipment, all the other "stuff" a soldier needs?

        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        Meanwhile the Ukrainians get more & more modernized. Wouldn't be surprised to seeing a couple of battalions of M1A1s getting yanked out of mothballs from Sierra Army Depot. Plenty of time to cover new equipment training.
        Agreed!!



        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • A further escalation by Putin; planning to annex the four occupied regions and the most explicit threat so far of using nuclear weapons.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-might-mean-it

          So what if Putin annexes these provinces into Russia and then threatens that any further offensives by Ukraine will be considered an attack on Russia itself and threatens nuclear retaliation? What then?

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          • That's up to the Ukrainians. We will keep supplying weapons and help but it's up to them to see if they want to risk a nuke hit. We're not going to extend our umbrella over them.
            Chimo

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            • They already said they will risk it. They certainly can’t say otherwise, or Putin blackmails his way to victory.

              Moreover it’s not exactly risk free for Putin too. The US has already hinted very strongly that the use of nukes would be met with a severe non-nuclear response.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                They already said they will risk it. They certainly can’t say otherwise, or Putin blackmails his way to victory.

                Moreover it’s not exactly risk free for Putin too. The US has already hinted very strongly that the use of nukes would be met with a severe non-nuclear response.
                What do you think that would look like? A straight campaign targeting Russian forces in Ukraine?
                "Draft beer, not people."

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                • Originally posted by Red Team View Post
                  What do you think that would look like? A straight campaign targeting Russian forces in Ukraine?
                  More likely giving the Ukrainians thermobarics.

                  Chimo

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                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                    Bingo. They can "retrain" or at least tell their conscripts "You're retrained, congratulations", but can they adequately equip them? How much gear intended for mobilization has been sold out the back door of the supply depots or fallen off the truck before it even got there? Or never actually been manufactured in the first place?

                    So now the Kremlin sends hundreds of thousands of un- or under-equipped reservists marching into the teeth of Ukrainian firepower and word of this gets back home to the families...either in the form of phone calls and Telegram posts or death notices.

                    Yeah, the Colonel called it: "Stalin himself couldn't unfuck this clusterfuck."

                    Now's a good time to re-watch Perun's superb May 29th video on corruption

                    There’s a real easy Russian solution to this.
                    One used by Russia before when it had a supply problem. Simply send 3 people into action with only one fully equipped who when killed,
                    one of the spares takes the equipment! Remember Stalingrad!
                    Oh by the way, if the people being sent unarmed into combat decide it’s a bad idea and turn back,
                    there’s machinegun emplacements manned by security personnel, that will kill any “deserters”.
                    (Today the Russian Durma passed a law invoking harsher punishment for the crime of desertion!!!)
                    Hell even Stalin boasted that his soldiers were more scared of him then the enemy!





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                    • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      They already said they will risk it. They certainly can’t say otherwise, or Putin blackmails his way to victory.

                      Moreover it’s not exactly risk free for Putin too. The US has already hinted very strongly that the use of nukes would be met with a severe non-nuclear response.
                      Nukes mean Russia loses just about every "friend" they have left, except probably North Korea, Belarus and their ilk.

                      Russia's best bet for using nukes is a false flag operation, but their credibility is already shot to hell. If a nuke goes off and they point the finger at Ukraine, I doubt anyone will believe them.

                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                        Russia's best bet for using nukes is a false flag operation, but their credibility is already shot to hell. If a nuke goes off and they point the finger at Ukraine, I doubt anyone will believe them.
                        How are the Russians going to pull this off? They took all the Ukrainian nukes under the Budapest Agreement. They and we know the Ukrainians don't have nukes. Plus nuclear forensics can trace the radioactive elements back to the parent reactor. I have absolutely zero clues on how they could pull this off.

                        Chimo

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                        • Originally posted by Amled View Post
                          There’s a real easy Russian solution to this.
                          One used by Russia before when it had a supply problem. Simply send 3 people into action with only one fully equipped who when killed,
                          one of the spares takes the equipment! Remember Stalingrad!
                          Oh by the way, if the people being sent unarmed into combat decide it’s a bad idea and turn back,
                          there’s machinegun emplacements manned by security personnel, that will kill any “deserters”.
                          (Today the Russian Durma passed a law invoking harsher punishment for the crime of desertion!!!)
                          Hell even Stalin boasted that his soldiers were more scared of him then the enemy!
                          Well, alot of things were taken out of context in that movie. The one rifle to be shared didn't happen at Stalingrad. Every soldier was fully equipped. NKVD machine guns didn't sit behind every line unit. There ain't that many NKVD men and most times, the NKVD machine guns were pushed forward to support the infantry. Caught desserters are sent to Penal Battalions. It is the Penal Battalions that the NKVD guarded against retreat.

                          That being said, Stalingrad was one hell of a Soviet victory. Don't think the Ukrainians want a repeat of that battle.

                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by Red Team View Post

                            What do you think that would look like? A straight campaign targeting Russian forces in Ukraine?
                            Probably an air campaign limited to Ukraine. American and NATO airpower would rip the Russian formations to shreds inside of 72 hours and Putin knows it.
                            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              More likely giving the Ukrainians thermobarics.
                              Insufficient response, PRC is watching.
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                              • Originally posted by astralis View Post

                                Insufficient response, PRC is watching.
                                Gloves would be off. ATACMS, F-16s, thermobarics... the store would be wide open for the Ukrainians outside of their own nukes.

                                What about moving NATO troops into western Ukraine and the Kiev region?

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