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  • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

    I wouldn't want to be a Russian soldier anywhere near Minnie's grave. That is just asking for trouble. She will exact her revenge.
    Yep, kicking Russian arse and listening to good music while she does it.
    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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    • Looks like the Ukrainians may have dropped the span across the Oskil river in Kupiansk. Previous reporting puts Ukraine as having taken Horokhovatka, Senkove, and Oskil City, where the other three bridge crossings on the Oskil River south of Kupiansk are located.

      The Russians no longer seem to be in possession of any land route into Izyum. I think we'll be seeing the Ukrainians take the city in the next 24-48h.
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      • At this point, I worry about overstretching the LOCs but I also worry about losing contact with the enemy.
        Chimo

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          At this point, I worry about overstretching the LOCs but I also worry about losing contact with the enemy.
          At a guess and given their current limitations LOC are going to trump losing contact soon. Better to hold what you have than blow it because you get greedy.
          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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          • And give the other guy a chance to mount a counter-attack before I can dig in with supplies from an overstretched LOC? See the delima?
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            • I think the Oskil River may be a good place for the Ukrainians to pause and consolidate their gains, especially if the Russians have got no way back across it. A natural defensive barrier.
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              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                And give the other guy a chance to mount a counter-attack before I can dig in with supplies from an overstretched LOC? See the delima?
                Yes, I saw it at the start. Problem is overextended LOCs can buckle under a counter attack. Probably best to have a 'line in the sand' you want to reach and then cross it long enough and far enough to let follow up units dig in behind you. Do it right and worse case? You get pushed back to a defensive line of your choosing and hold your gains.
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                • The problem with that is the Russians get a say, a big say and that means there is no right decision. You're trying to read the Russians. While there is zero doubt that the front line has collapsed, there is also zero doubt their operational reserves are still standing. What's their status? Are they capable of marching forth while you're stretched? And the only way to find out is to keep contact. BTW, keeping contact does not mean a continous fight. But again, you're stretching your LOCs while trying to keep contact.

                  It's a guessing game of how much combat power Russian OPRES has and are you prepared to receive them.

                  I was trained it is better to keep pushing but keep a readied RES (25-40% of your force) to deal with any contigency. I don't think the Ukrainians can afford such a big RES.
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                  • Reports that Kupiansk has been captured, despite earlier reports the Russians were trying to reinforce it.

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...harkiv_oblast/
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                    • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                      At this point, I worry about overstretching the LOCs but I also worry about losing contact with the enemy.
                      The Ukrainians seem to be marching toward a very defensible position, the Oskil River... I think their eastern flank will be fairly secure, they won't have to worry much about attacks coming from Luhansk Province. Just the north. Except the Russians aren't really to the north all that much of recently taken territory, it having been behind the natural barrier of the Donets River.

                      I think if the Ukrainians take an operational pause after taking the territory below, they won't have to worry much about their LOCs or Russian counterattacks.
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                      • They're not at the Oskil River yet and the Russian OPRES has yet to be reduced.
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                        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          They're not at the Oskil River yet
                          They are.

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                          • I will rephrase. They have yet to secure their area with the Russian OPRES still in the BA.
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                            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              The problem with that is the Russians get a say, a big say and that means there is no right decision. You're trying to read the Russians. While there is zero doubt that the front line has collapsed, there is also zero doubt their operational reserves are still standing. What's their status? Are they capable of marching forth while you're stretched? And the only way to find out is to keep contact. BTW, keeping contact does not mean a continous fight. But again, you're stretching your LOCs while trying to keep contact.

                              It's a guessing game of how much combat power Russian OPRES has and are you prepared to receive them.

                              I was trained it is better to keep pushing but keep a readied RES (25-40% of your force) to deal with any contigency. I don't think the Ukrainians can afford such a big RES.
                              It's an oh so delicate balance. If you maintain contact with the enemy and keep pushing/advancing at some point you stretch your LOCs, that or your lead elements are exhausted. What then? commit your reserves & keep pushing or move that 25-40% forward, have them dig in and retire/rest those that lead?
                              Last edited by Monash; 10 Sep 22,, 15:25.
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                              • Good morning. Lyman and Izyum and Krupyansk have all been reported to be liberated by AFU.

                                Looks to me like the Ukrainians still have a big reserve (the armored force was barely committed, again, no more than company sized initial attack).

                                stretched logs is an issue but on the other hand they captured a metric fuckton of Russian equipment and depots because the AFU absolutely overran the Russians. That will slightly mitigate AFU log issues while severely impacting any Russian counteroffensive, especially because the LOCS have been severed and terrain now works in Ukraine’s favor.

                                I’m more confident of Ukraine’s ability to solidify their position compared to Russian ability to stop the panic, fix log issues, and execute a sustained counterattack.

                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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