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10-20 klicks of distance should be fine.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true. -
Not suppose to provide medium range fire support. But we have been fighting shitty little wars for so long we forgot. We also rely on PGMs for everythingOriginally posted by Monash View Post
Need to brush off some of those cold war manuals. Way far out (Battle Shaping) you have your B-1/B-2 hitting Theater level targets. Staging areas, Corps level ammo/POL depots, rail heads, Bridges. Then you have F-15Es /F-16s and long range rocket fires ATACMS) hitting the same at the Div level, Assembly areas, Roads, AA sites.
Bump down to the 10-20 mile range and its Tac Air as the enemy is moving to contact. Along with long range tube arty (RAP/MLRS)
Closer the Maneuver level Commanders Artillery. And Close Air Support.
What gets through falls to the Rotary wing providing Close In Air Support along with organic AT missiles and Tank main gun. Mortars get to play along with this
In the attack, helos kick open the door hitting front line enemy radars and AA systems along with known AT emplacements, tanks and Arty batteries. They are your on call air support when enemy tanks pop up in your front yard.
The long range strike fiasco happened because the system worked to good and Apaches wanted to play outside their box
Neither side in this sandbox exercise are using mutual support or good combined arms tactics
Somewhere in Russia there are a bunch of old Generals wishing that they had instituted a version of Ft Irwin's NTC and 29 Palms CAX rotationsComment
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Waste of GMLRS rounds. That targets requires something much bigger, Yes even bigger than ATACMS.Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
I bet the Col could get a Eng platoon with some plywood, 2x4s and quick setting cement and have those holes patched in no time at all. In the short run 2x4s and plywood or steel plate will cover those holes to allow trucks to pass
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Nah we got a whole group of people that deconflict airspace. Just keep the birds above the guns MaxOrd.Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
Or have the pilot chant "Big Sky Little Bullet" when he enters the zone
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Attack helicopters came to the fore w the AH 1S, later the Marine variant AH1W (I think). I'm sure the Marine variant carried a wider range of responsibilities but the Army Cobra/Apache was always intended foremost as a force multiplier on the defensive side of the zone. Mechanized Soviet forces advancing mounted into the depth of our defensive zone were the target and SA 7s weren't the issue, instead ZSU 23-4 and 57-2s.
Fragmentation air-burst (VT/Time) on both the advancing armor/IFVs to keep buttoned as they advance into anti-armor kill boxes manned w/ground reserves and attack helicopter/A-10s while also shooting SEAD missions to suppress/destroy visible mech AAA vehicles (see above). That would allow A-10s and Cobra/Apaches a window to do their work in an airspace without a fully integrated Soviet air defense network. Afterall, our aviation would be flying over us, on our side of the FEBA, instead of their side. Little green men on the ground dismounted would largely be our guys with Redeye and Stinger.
Attack aviation in the CAS world still has a place despite the proliferation of MANPADS systems. As usual, careful planning, sound reconnaissance of enemy/terrain and integration of all available assets will likely determine continued efficacy."This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester BangsComment
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"...We also rely on PGMs for everything..."
Too true. Need to know how, where and when to best use those assets. I'm sure it's not a bottomless well."This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester BangsComment
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The price will keep coming down now the technology is mature. If you can reliably get a CEP of say 10 meters with current off the shelf tech for a 155mm shell etc you should be good to go. Yes, a 1 meter CEP would be nice but do you really need it in most cases?Originally posted by S2 View PostIf you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.Comment
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Replaced by Fortunate Son!Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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The logistician in me cries looking at this photo.Originally posted by TopHatter View PostThis is a loooong essay on the current state of logistics in the Russian Armed Forces, a bit too long to post here.
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Spoiler Alert, things suck, they're getting worse and the chances of things getting better are somewhere between "yeah right
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I can only make an assumption, in the spirit of the same Russian propaganda and in a language they understand, that Putin is a sent Cossack, a puppet of the West, staged in order to finally finish and destroy Russia. What they have successfully performed and is being implemented. In exchange, he receives personal benefits in unlimited quantities. This is, of course, conspiracy, but absolutely in the spirit of the obscurantism that Russian state media and officials are now spreading. (Russian officer)
Hey Ivan, fair is far. Putin clearly supported Donald Trump in his quest to destroy American democracy, it's only appropriate that we return the favor.
“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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One of my ROTC instructors in college was a Bird Dog pilot and artillery forward observer in Vietnam. He had a photo on his wall of his aircraft with a 105mm hole in the tail. The plaque on the photo said "Big Sky Little Bullet My Ass!!!"Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
Nah we got a whole group of people that deconflict airspace. Just keep the birds above the guns MaxOrd.
Or have the pilot chant "Big Sky Little Bullet" when he enters the zone“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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A Marine Master Guns who shared a table group with me in Defense Acquisition University was an Aviation Ordnance guy. He told me the last unguided bomb dropped by the Navy or Marines was in 2005(?). Not sure on the Air Force.Originally posted by S2 View Post“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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Last week Lavrov said Russia's objectives have "expanded" beyond the Donbass and Kherson.
https://news.yahoo.com/lavrov-says-r...ycsrp_catchall
Today Lavrov says Russia's goal is to topple Zelensky and free Ukraine's people. "help Ukrainians “liberate themselves from the burden of this absolutely unacceptable regime.”"
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...president.html
Is this bluster? Desperation? Seems to be the entirety of Ukraine has a need to be worried.Comment
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“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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You have to take into consideration, the person making the statements….Lavrov!Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
The same foreign Minister Lavrov who at the start of the conflict/War/Invasion/”Special Military Operation” characterized it as an “anomaly”!
Which as soon as the “anomaly” had been resolved, that the Ukrainians would march with their Russian brothers into a golden future!
So that whatever that bag of wind has to say, has to be taken with more than modicum of salt!
https://tass.com/politics/1424207
When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais NinComment
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