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  • Deltacamelately
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    Originally posted by Cactus View Post
    Sir, IIRC, their standard policy for many years is that local Kashmiri terrorists are encouraged to negotiate a surrender to the senior-most officer commanding the operations (as an assurance to the tango and the intermediaries that it is a legit offer); by contrast the foreign terrorists are killed immediately. In this case the tango's father and brother assured the COL that he was willing to surrender, and when the COL approached him the COL was killed through treachery. "Free Hand" can mean many things, but mostly it is a call to give more initiative to the lower ranks to assess the risks and make small deviations from the playbook so that operations don't become too predictable and thus exploitable.
    Thanks Cactus. I couldn't put it better.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by Cactus View Post
    Sir, IIRC, their standard policy for many years is that local Kashmiri terrorists are encouraged to negotiate a surrender to the senior-most officer commanding the operations (as an assurance to the tango and the intermediaries that it is a legit offer); by contrast the foreign terrorists are killed immediately. In this case the tango's father and brother assured the COL that he was willing to surrender, and when the COL approached him the COL was killed through treachery. "Free Hand" can mean many things, but mostly it is a call to give more initiative to the lower ranks to assess the risks and make small deviations from the playbook so that operations don't become too predictable and thus exploitable.
    Thank you.

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  • Cactus
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    I'm not reading the same book. What do you mean by "free hand?"
    Sir, IIRC, their standard policy for many years is that local Kashmiri terrorists are encouraged to negotiate a surrender to the senior-most officer commanding the operations (as an assurance to the tango and the intermediaries that it is a legit offer); by contrast the foreign terrorists are killed immediately. In this case the tango's father and brother assured the COL that he was willing to surrender, and when the COL approached him the COL was killed through treachery. "Free Hand" can mean many things, but mostly it is a call to give more initiative to the lower ranks to assess the risks and make small deviations from the playbook so that operations don't become too predictable and thus exploitable.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Colonel,

    I'm not reading the same book. What do you mean by "free hand?"

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  • Deltacamelately
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    Originally posted by antimony View Post
    Col. Delta,

    The fact that the InA cares about collateral damage and is willing to put the blood of men and officers in line, instead of making do air strikes like some other in the neighbourhood, is what makes us all proud of our army.

    Yes, it is sad that our soldiers and officers get martyred, but I would submit that that should be resolved by getting people out of insurgency rather than placing less stress on collateral damage
    Antimony,

    My point is about the leaderships tolerance level. Nobody I know is itching to get trigger happy. They just want a free hand while dealing with the fkcks while people deliberate on why to remove AFSPA.

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  • antimony
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    Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
    Patton and his followers would strongly disagree with you (and count me as one of them). Here's one of his quote,
    We are talking about collateral damage, i.e. non-combatants. Patton would have put himself in the line of fire to save them. Shooting at innocents is not heroics, saving them is. And that is why we have the Indian Army, not the Pakistani one.

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  • Blademaster
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    Originally posted by antimony View Post
    Col. Delta,

    The fact that the InA cares about collateral damage and is willing to put the blood of men and officers in line, instead of making do air strikes like some other in the neighbourhood, is what makes us all proud of our army.

    Yes, it is sad that our soldiers and officers get martyred, but I would submit that that should be resolved by getting people out of insurgency rather than placing less stress on collateral damage
    Patton and his followers would strongly disagree with you (and count me as one of them). Here's one of his quote,
    I want you to remember, that no poor dumb bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it, by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

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  • antimony
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    Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
    Also the Indian Army's casualty appetite has been pretty high for ages. Time to scale it down and lower the tolerance aspect as well. It takes decades to groom such fine soldiers and then waste them in a trifle.
    Col. Delta,

    The fact that the InA cares about collateral damage and is willing to put the blood of men and officers in line, instead of making do air strikes like some other in the neighbourhood, is what makes us all proud of our army.

    Yes, it is sad that our soldiers and officers get martyred, but I would submit that that should be resolved by getting people out of insurgency rather than placing less stress on collateral damage

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  • lemontree
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    Every death is a loss. Every incident a new lesson.
    This this the human cost that a nation pay for its freedom.

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
    Also the Indian Army's casualty appetite has been pretty high for ages. Time to scale it down and lower the tolerance aspect as well. It takes decades to groom such fine soldiers and then waste them in a trifle.
    I have always been saying that no mercy should be shown to terrorists. They are better dead. This fuck shot the Colonel from the back, while the Colonel was engaged in talks with the terrorist's father for the douche to surrender. Our politicians never learn. Why not declare to the world, to everyone, that any single terrorist attack and we'll be marching into Rawalpindi. When do we say nuff'?

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  • Deltacamelately
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    Also the Indian Army's casualty appetite has been pretty high for ages. Time to scale it down and lower the tolerance aspect as well. It takes decades to groom such fine soldiers and then waste them in a trifle.

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  • Deltacamelately
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Colonel,

    You can't. The ONLY way you can win this ... as to show you have more honour than they have blood.
    Sir,

    That's exactly what the InA has been doing for all these years. I have a feeling that mopping the floor alone won't solve things. The running taps are the ones to be closed.

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  • citanon
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    Rest In Peace.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Colonel,

    You can't. The ONLY way you can win this ... as to show you have more honour than they have blood.

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  • Deltacamelately
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    RR has been taking some serious hits of late. In most cases the casualties have been in trying to avoid collateral damage. In this case too a family stepped out. Cowards.

    I personally want the gloves getting off in such cases, in the future of course.

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