2014 Peshawar school attack: 141 Dead

[barangai]

Mastermind of 16 dec attack

naraye ka pas las raghalay

DERA ISMAIL KHAN: The most hated man in the country is a 36-year-old father of three and volleyball enthusiast nicknamed “Slim”. His real name is Umar Mansoor and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan say he masterminded this week’s massacre of 132 children and nine staff at a school in Peshawar – the deadliest militant attack in Pakistan’s history.

A video posted on Thursday on a website used by the Taliban shows a man with a luxuriant chest-length beard, holding an admonishing finger aloft as he seeks to justify the December 16 attack.

The caption identified him as Umar Mansoor.

“If our women and children die as martyrs, your children will not escape,” he said. “We will fight against you in such a style that you attack us and we will take revenge on innocents.

For more,open the link

Mastermind of the Peshawar school attack: Umar Mansoor – The Express Tribune

[barangai]

And So it is official now,

FIR filed against Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz

[1980s]

Its not the sincerity of you or your tribe or hometown etc that is in doubt, its the sincerity and seriousness of the Pakistan establishment that is questioned.

Why has nobody from the Pakistani establishment ever condemned Mullah Omar by name, denounced his claim to be an 'Emir' of Muslims and called for his arrest? Sharif is still playing games and did not go far enough when he made the remark that there would no longer be any distinction between 'good Taliban' and 'bad Taliban'. What Taliban is he talking about? The Pakistani factions or the entire fraternity that includes the original Afghan movement?

This is the moment of truth that everybody has been waiting for. Will Pakistan finally, openly, publicly condemn Mullah Omar by name? They have called on President Ghani of Afghanistan to co-operate with Pakistan against any TTP presence on their soil, but will the Pakistani establishment do the same and openly condemn Mullah Omar by name, and not this vague term of 'Taliban'?

This is the real and final test for Pakistan to prove their seriousness and sincerity. They MUST now come out publicly and denounce Mullah Omar by name. If they dont do this, they cannot and should not be taken seriously.

Afghanistan has thrown the ball in Pakistan's court now, they have publicly condemned the TTP and offered co-operation. How will Rawalpindi now respond to their request to do the same with Mullah Omar and the Haqqanis?

All it takes for the good-will to start, is for a simple, public denunciation - BY NAME - from Sharif personally against Mullah Omar. This is the test now for Pakistan, and it is a very, very important and critical test for him and the entire Pakistani establishment to pass.

Looks like i need to correct myself, Sharif couldnt even do that (in bold). . .

"Even on the day of the Peshawar school massacre, the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, failed to condemn the Taliban by name. He referred only to "terrorists"."

BBC News - Mutual antipathy hampers Pakistan control of militants

[commander]

Looks like i need to correct myself, Sharif couldnt even do that (in bold). . .

"Even on the day of the Peshawar school massacre, the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, failed to condemn the Taliban by name. He referred only to "terrorists"."

BBC News - Mutual antipathy hampers Pakistan control of militants

Only Talibans are terrorists for them, LeT,JUD and the likes are still their guardian angels that fight against the evil Indian regime to free their brothers in Kashmir.

[Pedicabby]

In the past 3 days,190 Militants are killed.

[notorious_eagle]

In the past 3 days,190 Militants are killed.

As per Ihsan dawar,Ground operation in Shawal expanded,IDP's from Shawal to be moved to either Bannu or Orakzai agency

Gloves are off

The is the first time that PA has released pictures of dead TTP terrorists and footages of heavy shelling. TTP signed its own death warrant, they have lost all the sympathy they had among the Pakistani populace.

[barangai]

Many source's claim that Mullah Fazlullah and Sajna are killed in airstrikes.

The origin of the airstrikes is yet to be confirmed

[Firestorm]

Gloves are off

But isn't that what Zarb-e-Azb was all about? Taking the gloves off. We have seen plenty of reports over the past 6 months of dozens of Taliban militants killed and pictures of towns devastated by artillery and air-strikes. So what is different now? Gloves have been already off for the last six months as per the reports.

[barangai]

But isn't that what Zarb-e-Azb was all about? Taking the gloves off. We have seen plenty of reports over the past 6 months of dozens of Taliban militants killed and pictures of towns devastated by artillery and air-strikes. So what is different now? Gloves have been already off for the last six months as per the reports.

Zarbeazb resulted in a big decrease in terrorist activities across Pakistan with a big decrease in civilian fatalities

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2014

Infact the fatalities due to Bomb blasts are reduced by many folds as compared to last 5-6 years

[notorious_eagle]

But isn't that what Zarb-e-Azb was all about? Taking the gloves off. We have seen plenty of reports over the past 6 months of dozens of Taliban militants killed and pictures of towns devastated by artillery and air-strikes. So what is different now? Gloves have been already off for the last six months as per the reports.

What is different is the ferocity with PA is fighting the TTP. They are showing them no mercy, they are not taking any prisoners. A notorious senior TTP Commander was simply shot in the head by a Major instead of being arrested.

Zarb e Azb no-doubt has broken the back of TTP, this is why they are reduced to only attacking soft targets instead of attacking hard targets like they did in 2007-2013. In the past, you only saw pictures and videos of devastated towns but you never saw pictures of dead TTP fighters. That has changed. The barbaric killing of innocent children has certainly awoken a sentiment among every Pakistani that we need to reply in kind, thus the lifting of moratorium on death sentences.

[zraver]

Sir,unlike USSR,UK or USA,we are not foreign to them.We know how to fight them.Infact many of them fighting today are the pashtuns.

From considering of Nek Muhammad wazir as Hero in my hometown(among my tribe) to considering all taliban by default as animals now is a considerable change.

We will see..... I hope you are right, but if past is prologue I am.

[1980s]

What is different is the ferocity with PA is fighting the TTP. They are showing them no mercy, they are not taking any prisoners. A notorious senior TTP Commander was simply shot in the head by a Major instead of being arrested.

This is nothing new. There have been reports of what is known as Pakistan's "kill & dump" policy against Baluch nationalists (both rebels and political activists) and TTP fighters for several years now.

The result of such "kill & dump" methods no doubt just fuels the fire of Baluch and tribal Pashtun enmity with Pakistan which is why you see episodes like Baluch rebels taking revenge on Punjabi migrants in Balochistan and TTP revenge attacks against Pakistani "soft targets" like the Indo-Pak border crossing (clearly aimed as a message against Punjabis) and now the army school.

Im actually a bit more inclined to agree now with zraver that this is a war that is definitely now showing signs of ethnic enmity from tribal Pashtuns against Punjabis and urban Pashtuns, much like the situation in Balochistan has gone from a rebellion against Islamabad to an ethnic war against Pakistan and Punjabis (nothing else can explain why Baluch rebels routinely kill people from that ethnic group every time the dead bodies of Baluch nationalists are found "dumped & killed").

Umar Mansoor's warning to Pakistan is extremely brutal and explicit. This is all now way beyond so-called "jihad".

Pakistan's most hated man: volleyball player, child killer | Reuters
By Saud Mehsud
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan | Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:05am EST

(Reuters) - The most hated man in Pakistan is a 36-year-old father of three and volleyball enthusiast nicknamed "Slim".

His real name is Umar Mansoor and the Pakistani Taliban say he masterminded this week's massacre of 132 children and nine staff at a school in Peshawar - the deadliest militant attack in Pakistan's history.

A video posted on Thursday on a website used by the Taliban shows a man with a luxuriant chest-length beard, holding an admonishing finger aloft as he seeks to justify the Dec. 16 attack. The caption identified him as Umar Mansoor.

"If our women and children die as martyrs, your children will not escape," he said. "We will fight against you in such a style that you attack us and we will take revenge on innocents."

The Taliban say the attack, in which gunmen wearing suicide-bomb vests executed children, was retaliation for a military offensive carried out by the Pakistani army. They accuse the military of carrying out extrajudicial killings.

The accusation is not new. Many courts have heard cases where men disappeared from the custody of security services. Some bodies have been found later, hands bound behind the back and shot in the head, or dismembered and stuffed into sacks.

Some security officials say privately the courts are so corrupt and afraid, it is almost impossible to convict militants.

"You risk your life to catch terrorists and the courts always release them," said one official. "If you kill them then they don't come back."

The country is so inured to violence that the discovery of such bodies barely rates a paragraph in a local newspaper. Despite this, the school attack shocked a nation where traditionally, women and children are protected, even in war.

Six Pakistani Taliban interviewed by Reuters confirmed the mastermind was Mansoor. Four of them said he is close to Mullah Fazlullah, the embattled leader of the fractious group who ordered assassins to kill schoolgirl activist Malala Yousafzai.

"He strictly follows the principles of jihad," one said. "He is strict in principles, but very kind to his juniors. He is popular among the juniors because of his bravery and boldness."

Mansoor got a high school education in the capital, Islamabad, two Taliban members said, and later studied in a madrassa, a religious school.

"Umar Mansoor had a tough mind from a very young age, he was always in fights with other boys," said one Taliban member.

Mansoor has two brothers and spent some time working in the city of Karachi as a laborer before joining the Taliban soon after it was formed, in late 2007, said one commander.

His nickname is "nary," a word in the Pashto language meaning "slim", and he is the father of two daughters and a son, said another commanders.

"(Mansoor) likes to play volleyball," said one of the Taliban members. "He is a good volleyball player. Wherever he shifts his office, he puts a volleyball net up."

The Taliban video describes him as the "amir", or leader, of Peshawar and nearby Darra Adam Khel. Mansoor deeply opposes talks with the government, the commanders said.

"He was very strict from the start when he joined," a commander said. "He left many commanders behind if they had a soft corner (of their heart) for the government."

[zraver]

"He strictly follows the principles of jihad," one said. "He is strict in principles, but very kind to his juniors. He is popular among the juniors because of his bravery and boldness."

Pashtunwali

Ghairat (manliness)

Defense of property, person and tribe- Nanga
Kindness/hospitality- melmastia
Boldness- Tura
Bravery-Turah (might be same word as boldness)
Revenge- Badal
Shaming the enemy- Sharm

Its an ethnic war, even if the illiterate think its about Islam, its not, its about the pashtunwali or what might be called tribal Islam.

[Double Edge]

Im actually a bit more inclined to agree now with zraver that this is a war that is definitely now showing signs of ethnic enmity from tribal Pashtuns against Punjabis and urban Pashtuns, much like the situation in Balochistan has gone from a rebellion against Islamabad to an ethnic war against Pakistan and Punjabis (nothing else can explain why Baluch rebels routinely kill people from that ethnic group every time the dead bodies of Baluch nationalists are found "dumped & killed").

Deobands have been going afer Shias for many years now. This is much smaller in comparison and likely temporary as the PA tries to clean out various areas.

Pashtun vs punjabi ? hmm..

[barangai]

1980s does know the ground realities of pashtun vs punjabis claim by zraver or him himself but he's not honest in his answer.