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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by chanjyj View Post
    I would not know about the BG as I was never close to him and never kept updated during my long hiatus from WAB (I was a lurker before I even signed up). When I finally came back this year I found many other stalwarts gone too, in the span of 2+ years.

    As for information from "credible" sources you aren't going to get anything much other than what the site already has.
    Some pics from Indian-Indonesian jungle warfare drill in CIJWS, sometime in early 2012.







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    During my grad days, we (myself and friends) would drive to Vairengte once in every 3-4 months. We had a Mizo guy in our group, so we didn't need pass at the Cachar-Mizoram border. We would also smuggle in beer and enjoy a couple of hours in the hills wandering, before we drove back. Back then, I had the idea that CIJWS was just another Army base.

    US Troop Train in Indian Counter Insurgency School
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    Last edited by Oracle; 07 Aug 13,, 06:12. Reason: Added a link.

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  • chanjyj
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    I would not know about the BG as I was never close to him and never kept updated during my long hiatus from WAB (I was a lurker before I even signed up). When I finally came back this year I found many other stalwarts gone too, in the span of 2+ years.

    As for information from "credible" sources you aren't going to get anything much other than what the site already has.

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    I believe he was mocking you. If not, I am curious, too.
    No, I was not mocking. I thought he had information he would add to the wiki page.

    Chanjyl, here you said about editing it since it stinks of jingoistic armchair general talk. And you posted -

    Today, the ultra-commando trainee is educated, uses the Internet for gathering information, disseminating propaganda, negotiating arms deal and is familiar with hi-tech explosives. At the same time the trainee is trained with native skills like using easily available materials in forest which can be used to devise deadly traps that can kill an elephant with nothing more than bamboos and vines.
    But simply deploying large force is useless as it never produces any result. Learning to operate in small teams, studying the pattern of the militants, establishing an intelligence network, knowing their traditional sanctuaries, maintaining the element of surprise, selecting the site for counter ambush, observing the discipline of when exactly to open fire, knowing field craft and jungle craft well enough to remain undetected, and improvising within a given situation, is the kind of stuff that breaks an ambush. And it’s this which is taught nowhere else better than at CIJW School.
    I clicked on the wiki link and saw nothing of what you mentioned is there. Then you posted -

    Originally posted by chanjyj View Post
    I just deleted everything. Half of it cited a forum post that was a clone of the wikipedia text.
    Now, I thought you'd deleted the entire page and added information from credible sources. So, I checked again. :)

    Then you posted -

    Originally posted by chanjyj View Post
    I'm curious as to why you would want to know, but whatever the case is you can look at the revision history of any article in Wikipedia by heading to the "history" page.

    And I was like, okay, I misunderstood. But, seriously, you have all the time to edit and correct english and remove jingoist texts. I did not create that page.

    Mate, if I had any other credible sources I would have used that link. However, thank you for correcting the page. Ray, could have helped. I guess he was a trainer in CIJWS, Vairengte, sometime in his long career.

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  • Doktor
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    I believe he was mocking you. If not, I am curious, too.

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  • chanjyj
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    You didn't do nothing. Prove it otherwise.
    I'm curious as to why you would want to know, but whatever the case is you can look at the revision history of any article in Wikipedia by heading to the "history" page.

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by chanjyj View Post
    I just deleted everything. Half of it cited a forum post that was a clone of the wikipedia text.
    You didn't do nothing. Prove it otherwise.

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  • chanjyj
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    Originally posted by anil View Post
    Good luck finding sound citations
    I just deleted everything. Half of it cited a forum post that was a clone of the wikipedia text.

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  • anil
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    Originally posted by chanjyj View Post
    The wikipedia article you provided stinks of jingoistic armchair general talk.
    Good luck finding sound citations

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  • troung
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    Elephant traps and the Internets - serious stuff
    Last edited by troung; 06 Aug 13,, 00:31.

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  • chanjyj
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    CIJWS (Motto - Fight the guerrilla like a guerrilla). Vairengte is an hour from my home.
    The wikipedia article you provided stinks of jingoistic armchair general talk. I'm going to edit it.

    Eg:

    Today, the ultra-commando trainee is educated, uses the Internet for gathering information, disseminating propaganda, negotiating arms deal and is familiar with hi-tech explosives. At the same time the trainee is trained with native skills like using easily available materials in forest which can be used to devise deadly traps that can kill an elephant with nothing more than bamboos and vines.
    But simply deploying large force is useless as it never produces any result. Learning to operate in small teams, studying the pattern of the militants, establishing an intelligence network, knowing their traditional sanctuaries, maintaining the element of surprise, selecting the site for counter ambush, observing the discipline of when exactly to open fire, knowing field craft and jungle craft well enough to remain undetected, and improvising within a given situation, is the kind of stuff that breaks an ambush. And it’s this which is taught nowhere else better than at CIJW School.
    *coughs*

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    Source

    Good going. I am all for US-India co-op in every sphere of life.
    Since we're training the Afghans, the Americans would like to go to the source.

    This should be a good learning experience for both. What worked for us and what worked for them and vice versa.

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    These exercises aren't new. The Americans do joint exercises with everyone barring the Russians, North Koreans and maybe the Chinese. There have been numerous such US-India joint exercises as well after which both sides have "learnt a lot from each other" if the press statements are to be believed.
    Russians and Americans cooperate and hold drills.

    Colorado, Atlas Vision, Northern Eagle, Vigilant Eagle...
    They are not on par with what US and Japan or Korea do, or Russians and Chinese, but the coop is there.

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  • Firestorm
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    These exercises aren't new. The Americans do joint exercises with everyone barring the Russians, North Koreans and maybe the Chinese. There have been numerous such US-India joint exercises as well after which both sides have "learnt a lot from each other" if the press statements are to be believed.

    However no amount of lessons will help in a war if your supply lines run through the country wherein most of your foes take shelter.

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    Lessons already being forgotten and we're moving back to the reccee battle.

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