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  • Originally posted by troung View Post
    The Pope has been under the control of the Juice
    O.J. Simpson??

    Originally posted by troung View Post
    AM is not a poorly educated, delusional, sexually confused, terrorist supporting, genocide denying, troll who lives in the west who would slit his own wrists and drink bleach before going back to that hellhole (risking brick walls being pushed on him) but he is in fact someone who has connected the dots and is on to the Bildernbergs.
    Well...actually he's all of those things. In spades.

    How about it AM, a first-class (one-way) ticket back to Pakistan. Sound appealing?
    “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    • Incidentally when Pakistan inevitably implodes under the weight of its own self-inflicted failure and stupidity epitomized by AM on this forum, millions of the likes of him will be heading West without a second thought. 10s of thousands of Pakistanis already annually do, and thats primarily from the Punjab heartland where there is no WoT, no drone strikes and therefore, no threat to their lives enough for them to pack their bags en mass. But they still do and head West anyway, only to arrive there and fail to acknowledge any consideration or loyalty to the host country that takes them in. Their consideration is reserved only for one thing; blind and hollow Pakistani nationalism:

      "Oh Pakistan has problems yes we admit it.. but but.. it is not so bad, you see, Pakistan is 'different' you dont understand it, we are a special case and already talking about fixing everything so everything will be OK because an army spokesperson with a big nose said so and they know more than you do. Pakistan is corrupt, but we are still always right and you are wrong".

      I have no doubt that when the even bigger mass of migratory escape from the Pakistani hell hole does occur, the likes of AM will flee West yet continue to express their objection to all things Western and give their full blinded 'patriotism' to the myth of Pakistan and its innocent victimhood at the hands of international conspiraces to "defame Pakistan", all the while when living in the West and deriving their freedom, benefits, human rights, and security the West affords them. Things that dont exist back in Pakistan and for which Pakistan has no desire or will to give its millions of expendables anyway. After all, who cares for human dignity when theres strategic depth in Afghanistan and posturing against America, India et al to be had to make these 'patriots' feel just a tad bit like a man?

      This AM is an interesting case of somebody intoxicated from some kind of strange elite privilege, while suffering simultaneously from a massive inferiority complex and utter denial of what is plain infront of his nose.

      OK, we can laugh at this person. And i think that many here do. But he is actually worryingly typical of the type of mentally disturbed mind-set that i have observed among Pakistanis. And that mass of migration of these same in-denial, conspiracy theorist, anti-Western, yet entitled to the benefits of the West rotten attitude having people will be coming.

      Many are already there.

      I give AM credit only for one thing compared to his fellow in-denial Pakistani weirdo nationalists, he is absolutely committed to his brick wall mentality. Most other Pakistanis crack easily and tend to just hurl random and incomprehensible abuse at all and sundry over the internet once they've had their Pakistani fantasy demolished with reality.

      AM is unique in that regard of being a solid and committed wall of brick indeed. How much does it cost?

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      • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
        Well, if US soldiers in the field are fed the same diet of horse manure (propaganda) that many here appear to live on, then why would you expect them to think differently? Ask yourself this - what are those soldiers basing their views on? Media reports? Mess gossip? The usual unsubstantiated 'Pakistan smear campaign'? Those soldiers are human just like the rest of us, and just as susceptible to buying into BS as the rest of us.

        I wonder if the BBC thought to ask the NDS about the presence of Baloch terrorists living on Afghan soil (as admitted by Karzai himself in wikileaks) or what exactly the NDS was doing 'wooing' terrorist TTP leaders such as the TTP's second in command who was snatched away from the NDS by US forces resulting in Karzai and the NDS whining and crying to high heaven.
        If you saw the damed documentary then you would already know the answer to that....Obviously you havent.

        The majority of them are all EYEWITNESS STATEMENTS which means they were there in the flesh and you cant (but then again were talking about you) deny that.

        All of these men and women who were actual eye witnesses to these event on ALL sides of these battles (US, British, Pakistani, former Generals of the Pak Army and the ISI and extrememists still fighting today) state the very same thing.

        THE TALIBAN HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY AND ISI SERVICES AND HAS SUPPORTED ELEMENTS OF AQ SINCE TORA BORA WAS HIT!

        Take your head out of your ass. You look like a fool and insult the intelligence of those that have far more real life experience on this matter with absolutely zero to gain by lying.

        Namely, these people that witnessed these events from every different side of the conflict. Including those that are currently being hunted by the drone strikes.

        Not some idiot in Michigan who puts his hands over his
        ears spinning in circles and swears he cannot hear what he is actually hearing when he is proven wrong by his own militarys and intelligence officers admissions time and time again.

        Pathetic D'Bag.
        Last edited by Dreadnought; 22 Oct 13,, 02:12.
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • Originally posted by 1980s View Post
          I have no doubt that when the even bigI give AM credit only for one thing compared to his fellow in-denial Pakistani weirdo nationalists, he is absolutely committed to his brick wall mentality. Most other Pakistanis crack easily and tend to just hurl random and incomprehensible abuse at all and sundry over the internet once they've had their Pakistani fantasy demolished with reality.
          Oh I give AgnosticMuslim full credit for that.

          In the 10 years I've been on this board, the typical Pakistani poster (by which I mean all but 2, maybe 3) have behaved exactly has you said.

          They're more like whining little children throwing a prolonged temper tantrum than adults. I could just see them throwing themselves to the ground and holding their breath.

          My opinion of Pakistan and Pakistanis will always be colored by their massive inferiority complexes, denial-to-the-point-of-irrationality and deluded by all comprehension view of the world vis a vis Pakistan.
          Last edited by TopHatter; 22 Oct 13,, 03:33.
          “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
          ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • Originally posted by 1980s View Post
            Incidentally when Pakistan inevitably implodes under the weight of its own self-inflicted failure and stupidity epitomized by AM on this forum, millions of the likes of him will be heading West without a second thought. 10s of thousands of Pakistanis already annually do, and thats primarily from the Punjab heartland where there is no WoT, no drone strikes and therefore, no threat to their lives enough for them to pack their bags en mass. But they still do and head West anyway, only to arrive there and fail to acknowledge any consideration or loyalty to the host country that takes them in. Their consideration is reserved only for one thing; blind and hollow Pakistani nationalism:

            "Oh Pakistan has problems yes we admit it.. but but.. it is not so bad, you see, Pakistan is 'different' you dont understand it, we are a special case and already talking about fixing everything so everything will be OK because an army spokesperson with a big nose said so and they know more than you do. Pakistan is corrupt, but we are still always right and you are wrong".

            I have no doubt that when the even bigger mass of migratory escape from the Pakistani hell hole does occur, the likes of AM will flee West yet continue to express their objection to all things Western and give their full blinded 'patriotism' to the myth of Pakistan and its innocent victimhood at the hands of international conspiraces to "defame Pakistan", all the while when living in the West and deriving their freedom, benefits, human rights, and security the West affords them. Things that dont exist back in Pakistan and for which Pakistan has no desire or will to give its millions of expendables anyway. After all, who cares for human dignity when theres strategic depth in Afghanistan and posturing against America, India et al to be had to make these 'patriots' feel just a tad bit like a man?

            This AM is an interesting case of somebody intoxicated from some kind of strange elite privilege, while suffering simultaneously from a massive inferiority complex and utter denial of what is plain infront of his nose.

            OK, we can laugh at this person. And i think that many here do. But he is actually worryingly typical of the type of mentally disturbed mind-set that i have observed among Pakistanis. And that mass of migration of these same in-denial, conspiracy theorist, anti-Western, yet entitled to the benefits of the West rotten attitude having people will be coming.

            Many are already there.

            I give AM credit only for one thing compared to his fellow in-denial Pakistani weirdo nationalists, he is absolutely committed to his brick wall mentality. Most other Pakistanis crack easily and tend to just hurl random and incomprehensible abuse at all and sundry over the internet once they've had their Pakistani fantasy demolished with reality.

            AM is unique in that regard of being a solid and committed wall of brick indeed. How much does it cost?
            Good commentary, the likes of the movie 'The Reluctant Fundamentalist'. In the movie, the lead character 'Changez Khan' played by Riz Ahmed gets everything he wants because he believes US is a land of opportunity and freedom. While Changez is away in Manila on business, he witnesses the WTC attacks on 9/11, on TV from his hotel room. On his arrival to US, he finds himself to be a figure of automatic suspicion, since he is a Pakistani. Forward to the movie................somewhere during the end, Changez is talking to Bobby (played by Liev Schreiber) and tells him how good he felt that the myth of American arrogance was broken (referring to the 9/11 attacks on WTC).

            Arrogance broken by killing innocents? What kind of retarded logic is that?

            Yeah, sure, why not? They admire the terrorists who have taken over out country, err ... no, they are not terrorists, they are state guests. If things go south, they can always migrate to the West and bomb the shit out of it and impose Sharia. They're infidels anyway and deserve to die.

            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            What's the best way to take a castle? A donkey loaded with gold ... and cheaper ... that is until we don't want the castle anymore.
            Last edited by Oracle; 22 Oct 13,, 04:09.
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            • Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
              If you saw the damed documentary then you would already know the answer to that....Obviously you havent.

              The majority of them are all EYEWITNESS STATEMENTS
              Eyewitness statments by US soldiers (given the context of my comment) to what exactly? An ISI officer in full uniform leading a Taliban charge against NATO troops? You are the one referencing this particular 'smearocumentary', so how about either quoting the specific comment you are referring to or giving me the time-stamp of the comment.
              THE TALIBAN HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY AND ISI SERVICES AND HAS SUPPORTED ELEMENTS OF AQ SINCE TORA BORA WAS HIT!
              Is Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory show still on the air, because if it is, he might have a spot for you ...
              Take your head out of your ass. You look like a fool and insult the intelligence of those that have far more real life experience on this matter with absolutely zero to gain by lying.
              Evidence, not experience, is what counts. But if you had evidence you wouldn't need to resort to whining about 'experience' and engaging in personal attacks.
              Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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              • And back to the thread topic (which I can understand the majority here don't want to discuss given that their feeble arguments keep getting debunked):

                Amnesty International: Civilian deaths in drone attacks akin to war crimes
                By Our Correspondent
                Published: October 22, 2013

                KARACHI: “I wasn’t scared of drones before, but now when they fly overhead I wonder, will I be next?” Eight-year-old Nabeela witnessed the death of her grandmother, Mamana Bibi, by a drone strike in Ghundi Kala village, North Waziristan. She asks the quintessential question surrounding the debate on drones.

                Therefore, Amnesty International’s report on US drone strikes in Pakistan is duly titled “Will I Be Next?” The report, to be released today (Tuesday), does not claim to be a comprehensive report; but it is a qualitative assessment based on detailed field research into nine of the 45 reported strikes in North Waziristan between January 2012 and August 2013.

                The report focuses on the arbitrary deprivation of life, categorically stating – and proving with its case studies, survey and fact-finding – that the “United States has carried out unlawful killing in Pakistan through drone attacks, some of which could even amount to war crimes.”

                No matter which international law regime is applicable – be it international human rights law or international humanitarian law (the laws of war) – it is obligatory for United States to ensure thorough, impartial and independent investigations are conducted into the killings.

                The United States refuses to make public even basic information about the drone programme and does not release legal or factual information about specific strikes, the report points out. “None of the US authorities contacted by Amnesty International (AI) were willing to provide information regarding the specific cases documented in this report or the legal and policy basis for the drone programme in Pakistan.” It doesn’t stop there. The report also envelopes in other states as well, pinning responsibility on them of upholding international law. The United States and other countries, including Australia, Germany and the UK, that are “providing assistance must act in full conformity with their obligations”.

                Pakistan: not exactly a victim?


                Moreover, Amnesty International does not absolve Islamabad of a role in the drone operations either. AI expresses concern in the report about the “failure of the Pakistani authorities to protect and enforce the rights of victims of drone strikes”.

                According to the publication, Pakistan stands accused of a range of human rights failings: from the possible complicity of some organs or officials of the Pakistan state in unlawful killings resulting from the US drones programme, to the failure to protect people in Fata from unlawful drone strikes or to assist victims.

                Although the writers of the report thank the government of Pakistan for their support and cooperation, they do mention, “None of the authorities answered questions regarding specific drone strikes or the possible role of some Pakistani officials or private citizens in the US drone programme”.

                Precision weapons: not precise enough?


                At the centrepiece of the report is the unlawful and unexplained killing of non-combatants. Clearly, the drones are missing ‘targets’ and there is no proof or identification of whether the people who are hit are genuine militant targets or not.

                “We cannot find any justification for these killings. There are genuine threats to the US and its allies in the region, and drone strikes may be lawful in some circumstances. But it is hard to believe that a group of labourers, or an elderly woman surrounded by her grandchildren, were endangering anyone at all,” said Mustafa Qadri, an AI Pakistan researcher.

                And there is no explanation or remorse either. Who is killed and why are unknowns. This secrecy has enabled the United States to act with impunity and block victims from receiving justice, the report claims.

                Through this publication, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch jointly call on the US Congress to investigate the cases documented and other unlawful deaths and to disclose evidence of human rights violations to the public.

                Elderly woman killed, grandson hurt

                Mamana Bibi, 68, was tending her crops in Ghundi Kala village on the afternoon of October 24 last year when she was killed by two Hellfire missiles fired from a drone. Her three granddaughters saw the blast, the killing, the destruction, as they were in the field, 119 feet away.

                However, a few minutes later, another Hellfire missile struck, hitting a vacant area, 9 feet away from where Mamana Bibi was killed. Kaleem, who had rushed to check on his now late grandmother after the first strike, was hit by shrapnel in the second. He broke his left leg and suffered a large, deep gash in his thigh.

                AI terms these strikes “rescuer attacks”, as those who run to the aid of the victims of an initial drone strike are targeted in a rapid follow-on attack. Pakistani intelligence officials told Amnesty that a local Taliban fighter had used a satellite phone on a road close to where Mamana Bibi was killed about 10 minutes before the strike and then drove away. They were unaware of why Mamana Bibi’s was killed but they assumed that it was related to the Taliban fighter’s proximity to her.

                However, witnesses and family members denied the presence of militants anywhere near Mamana Bibi at the time of the attack. In addition, AI’s investigation found no evidence of military or armed group installations, hideouts or fighters.

                The family has not been able to recover from the loss. Mamana Bibi’s son told AI that his father is grief stricken and his children are living in constant fear. “My daughter [Asma] suddenly gets scared and tells me she is going to be killed. She is living in constant fear. My children are worried even to just gather outside.”

                18 labourers ‘gone’, child injured

                On July 6 last year, a group of labourers from Zowi Sidgi village had gathered at a tent. It was their “gathering place” after a long day of work. Missiles hit the tent soon after, killing eight labourers.

                Some villagers ventured to search for survivors and sift through the devastation, narrates the report. However, more drones fired another series of missiles a few minutes later, targeting those who had come to the scene.

                In the drone strikes that evening, at least 18 people were killed and 22 injured, including an eight-year-old girl named Shehrbano, who sustained shrapnel injuries to her leg.

                AI identified all those killed and injured in the Zowi Sidgi attack – all but Shehrbano were men of ‘military age’ , ie, 18-35, which seems to be the criterion for American targeting. Contrary to official claims that those killed were “terrorists”, AI’s research indicates that the victims of these attacks were not involved in fighting and posed no threat to life.

                Amnesty International: Civilian deaths in drone attacks akin to war crimes – The Express Tribune
                Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                  Here's what AM's favorite Pakistani leader had to say about terrorism in his own country, including a blast which killed the Law minister of Khyber-Pakhtunwa...
                  Actually, his statements on the issue since his party got elected to power have made him one of my 'least favorite' political leaders.
                  Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                  • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                    Eyewitness statments by US soldiers (given the context of my comment) to what exactly? An ISI officer in full uniform leading a Taliban charge against NATO troops? You are the one referencing this particular 'smearocumentary', so how about either quoting the specific comment you are referring to or giving me the time-stamp of the comment.

                    Is Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory show still on the air, because if it is, he might have a spot for you ...

                    Evidence, not experience, is what counts. But if you had evidence you wouldn't need to resort to whining about 'experience' and engaging in personal attacks.
                    Whatever you say friend, its quite obvious they have it and you dont. Enjoy being a fanboy to whatever idiocy you subscribe too.

                    Again, back to your handlers on the island of idiot.
                    Last edited by Dreadnought; 22 Oct 13,, 13:39.
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                    • Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                      Whatever you say friend, its quite obvious they have it and you dont.
                      Again, can you quote the specific comment of the 'soldier on the field' and/or provide a time stamp (in the video)? I can't respond to an allegation without specifics.
                      Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                      • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                        Again, can you quote the specific comment of the 'soldier on the field' and/or provide a time stamp (in the video)? I can't respond to an allegation without specifics.
                        THEN WATCH THE DAM DOCUMENTARY!

                        Fortunately for the eyewitnesses they have something you dont.....

                        ABOUT SEVEN THOUSAND MILES CLOSER TO WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING. NOT OUT HERE CHEERLEADING FOR IDIOTS.
                        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                        • :insane:

                          Maybe it's time to pause this thread?

                          We are going in circles.

                          There are bases in Pakistan. No there are not. Yes, there are...
                          Pakistan is consent. No, she is not. Mushi says yes...
                          And so on, and so forth.
                          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                          • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                            Again, can you quote the specific comment of the 'soldier on the field' and/or provide a time stamp (in the video)? I can't respond to an allegation without specifics.
                            Boy, Im just going to start calling you "jake"

                            Do you know what a "jake" is?

                            A "jake" is a young adolescent turkey, its sleeps in trees at night, come the dawn, it falls out of the trees and hits head first, hits the ground and just starts walking. Totally oblivious to its surroundings or what just happened.
                            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                            • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                              Maybe it's time to pause this thread?

                              We are going in circles.

                              There are bases in Pakistan. No there are not. Yes, there are...
                              Pakistan is consent. No, she is not. Mushi says yes...
                              And so on, and so forth.
                              Yeah, at this point it's mostly just a freakshow, starring our resident freak: AgnosticMuslim.

                              OK, we'll put this one to bed.
                              Last edited by TopHatter; 22 Oct 13,, 14:52.
                              “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                              ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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