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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostWho the hell cares? The UN ain't going to do nothing. Not even condemning the US. All you have is a bureaucrat saying you're right, not even a legal authority.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostNo I meant your angst about drone strikes against tail bunnies within Pakistan. If you don't like them being bombed, stop supporting them and kick them out of your country.
I have nothing against targeted military operations against the Taliban - my criticism is of the violation of international law by the US in conducting those military strikes without involving Pakistan or obtaining Pakistani authorization for those strikes.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Parihaka View Postthen stop supporting a war against your neighbours. Easy really.
Till such international sanction is obtained by the US/NATO/ISAF, your comments are nothing more than an unsubstantiated rant trying to excuse blatant violations of international law by the US.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by doppelganger View PostI am curious. Why is it that Iran can chase and shoot US drones down, but Pakistan cannot? Or will not?Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Postso why would you expect Pakistan to react in the same manner as Iran?
Surely not having a "hostile relationship" does not mean one allows any country to overfly ones airspace and kill its people?
Surely not when a country with a weaker military and not even a nuclear power at that can do the same? And has done so more than once?
Hence my curiosity.Last edited by doppelganger; 18 Mar 13,, 12:35.
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Originally posted by doppelganger View PostTo protect its sovereignty?
Surely not having a "hostile relationship" does not mean one allows any country to overfly ones airspace and kill its people?
Surely not when a country with a weaker military and not even a nuclear power at that can do the same?Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostThe country with a 'weaker military' still has an economic and diplomatic relationship with the US (in contrast to Iran) and would like to maintain said relationship and therefore would like to resolve the issue through diplomatic channels.
Btw, congratulations on creating history.
That the governement did not go down, or was brought down, does point to the fact that Pakistan was intrinsically ok with the drone attacks to an extent that the governement sitting by while its people were being bombed from remote locations thousands of miles away, continued to term unhindered.
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostYou have already made it quite clear that you don't want to see any kind of international system that would hold ALL nations accountable, including powers like the US, so your criticism here of the UN investigator is pretty meaningless.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostNo, it is you who are clinging to meaningless bureaucrats spouting meaningless horse pucky. My words will be proven correct. The UN ain't going to do nothing.
The point is that you represent the global elite/tyrants that want to continue to be 'unaccountable and above the law', whereas my position is that the global elite/powers should be held accountable and subject to the same laws and policies the smaller nations are, and that the existing ineffective global systems and institutions should be reformed to achieve that.Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 18 Mar 13,, 13:41.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by doppelganger View PostThat the governement did not go down, or was brought down, does point to the fact that Pakistan was intrinsically ok with the drone attacks to an extent that the governement sitting by while its people were being bombed from remote locations thousands of miles away, continued to term unhindered.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostYou are going around in circles and apparently completely missing the point I have been making - I agreed with you at the start of this discussion that the UN is ineffective in terms of implementing its own findings, especially when it comes to the global powers. But being ineffective does not change the fact that an independent UN investigation has in fact validated the Pakistani argument that US drone strikes in Pakistan are a blatant violation of international law.
Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostThe point is that you represent the global elite/tyrants that want to continue to be 'unaccountable and above the law', whereas my position is that the global elite/powers should be held accountable and subject to the same laws and policies the smaller nations are, and that the existing ineffective global systems and institutions should be reformed to achieve that.
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostPakistan is not 'intrinsically OK with US violations of international law' (drone strikes in Pakistan), just as it is not 'intrinsically OK' with the massive corruption, ineffective government, lack of development and lack of economic growth that has been the hallmark of the past five years of the PPP led government.
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