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  • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    You are parsing - crimes of any kind are a failure of leadership - whether it is a terrorist attack, fraud or command failure, the military is impacted in terms of security and resources.
    Horse puckey. An entire regiment left to die and Musharraf kept his rank. A brigadier stealing from the army's coffers or agreeing with views against the brass is left to rot. Guess what screams the loudest to non-Pakistani military.

    Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
    The rank of Colonel does not mean anything with respect to the everyday functioning of the Cantonment board, it does not mean anything when it comes to the everyday operations of civilian law enforcement government institutions. The responsibilities of the CG have been pointed out to you already - he/she is a liaison between the Army and the civilian administrators, and does not micromanage every single aspect of Cantonment governance.
    Does he or does he not have final say.

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    • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
      Horse puckey. An entire regiment left to die and Musharraf kept his rank. A brigadier stealing from the army's coffers or agreeing with views against the brass is left to rot. Guess what screams the loudest to non-Pakistani military.
      Musharraf as CMLA was hardly going to indict himself. Imposition of Martial Law means everything goes out the window - the military leadership, at a time of Martial Law, is illegitimate, criminal and will act in similar fashion to keep itself afloat.
      Does he or does he not have final say.
      On what? His responsibilities and ability to veto broader administrative decisions in the Cantonment board have been explained, but I fail to see which specific department or deployment in the Cantonment you consider the CG personally responsible for, in relation to OBL's hideout.
      Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 22 Oct 12,, 19:10.
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      • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
        Musharraf as CMLA was hardly going to indict himself. Imposition of Martial Law means everything goes out the window - the military leadership, at a time of Martial Law, is illegitimate, criminal and will act in similar fashion to keep itself afloat.
        And the Pakistani Army re-instated Generals so that they could charge them for crimes against the Brass but not for leaving a regiment to die.

        Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
        On what? His responsibilities and ability to veto broader administrative decisions in the Cantonment board have been explained, but I fail to see which specific department or deployment in the Cantonment you consider the CG personally responsible for, in relation to OBL's hideout.
        Is he or is he not the HNIC.

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          And the Pakistani Army re-instated Generals so that they could charge them for crimes against the Brass but not for leaving a regiment to die.
          I would disagree with your description of 'leaving a regiment to die' and probably so would many in the Pakistani Army, so perhaps the issue there is a difference of opinion on the events that took place.
          Is he or is he not the HNIC.
          Nope, that would be the President of Pakistan, if you really want to argue hierarchy.

          Again, with respect to the CG, since he does not manage local law enforcement or local government, what exactly do you want to hold him responsible for in the case of OBL's hideout not being discovered? Or are you just looking to scapegoat someone in the Pakistani Army?
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          • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
            I would disagree with your description of 'leaving a regiment to die' and probably so would many in the Pakistani Army, so perhaps the issue there is a difference of opinion on the events that took place.
            When the NLI's position became unattainable, were they or were they not withdrawn ... or even allowed to surrender ... or were they told to keep fighting for a lost cause?

            Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
            Nope, that would be the President of Pakistan, if you really want to argue hierarchy.

            Again, with respect to the CG, since he does not manage local law enforcement or local government, what exactly do you want to hold him responsible for in the case of OBL's hideout not being discovered? Or are you just looking to scapegoat someone in the Pakistani Army?
            I'm looking for someone to step up and take the responsibility.

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