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  • Russian forces were suffering from 'electronic fratricide' within days of attacking Ukraine, a new report says


    A wrecked Russian mobile electronic-warfare system on display in Kyiv on May 23.Valentyna Polishchuk/TRK LUX/Global Images Ukraine via Getty Images
    • Early in Russia's attack on Ukraine, Russian forces used electronic warfare to great effect.
    • But that EW also interfered with Russian operations, compounding the other problems its troops faced.
    • That "electronic fratricide" forced Russian troops to dial back their EW, researchers say.
    In the first days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Russian jamming disrupted Ukraine's air-defense radars and communications links. The problem for Russian forces is that their electronic warfare also jammed their own communications.

    This "electronic fratricide" became so acute that Russian troops had to stop disrupting Ukrainian communications, according to a study by the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.

    By the end of the first week of the invasion, Russian ground forces being unable to effectively communicate "became a greater threat to the Russian operation than Ukrainian [surface-to-air missile] systems, so their electronic warfare assets began to greatly scale back their operations after the first two days," the RUSI report says.

    Initially, Russia's jamming offensive was devastating and validated Moscow's heavy investment in electronic warfare. For years, the Pentagon has worried it lags far behind Russia in electronic-warfare capabilities, which could disrupt the extensive communications networks that enable the US military to fight in a coordinated fashion.


    US soldiers near a new radar in a Polish village near Ukrainian border on February 24.Maciej Luczniewski/NurPhoto via Getty Images

    Generally, Russian electronic-warfare systems "have actually proven extremely effective," Nick Reynolds, a coauthor of the RUSI study, told Insider, and Russia's initial onslaught in Ukraine seemed to bear out the Pentagon's fears.

    "During the first week of the invasion, Russian electronic warfare using jamming equipment and E-96M aerial decoys were highly effective in disrupting" Ukraine's ground-based air-defense systems, the RUSI report says.

    Russian jamming severely disrupted Ukrainian S-300 and SA-11 surface-to-air-missile batteries north of Kyiv. Russia also launched extensive ballistic- and cruise-missile strikes on Ukraine's long-range radars and anti-aircraft batteries.

    The combined effect was Ukraine's ground-based air defenses were hit so hard that its badly outnumbered fleet of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters had to take primary responsibility for protecting the country's skies.

    But as Russia's advance began to bog down, Russian troops discovered that they had "no coherent communications plan," according to the RUSI report.


    Ukrainian troops rush to a Soviet-made S-300 air-defense missile station during training near Sevastopol in July 1995.VALERY SOLOVJEV/AFP via Getty Images

    Russian units lacked trained radio operators and encryption keys to decipher coded communications. Some radios had cheap Chinese-made components that left them vulnerable to Ukrainian jamming. Russian mobile air-defense units — which were supposed to keep up with the armored columns — were also hampered by poor communications.

    The result was that Russia's electronic offensive boomeranged.

    "The electronic warfare capabilities that had been initially very effective in degrading Ukrainian SAM systems were also causing serious electronic fratricide problems and thus compounding an increasingly critical communications breakdown among Russian ground force elements," the RUSI report says.

    Not surprisingly, Russia cut back on electronic warfare after the first two days of the war. "This allowed newly relocated Ukrainian SAM systems to regain much of their effectiveness, although it took time to repair or adapt to much of the damage to key radar systems for early warning and long-range missile guidance," the report says.

    "In the first week of March, however, Ukrainian SAMs began to inflict significant losses on Russian attack sorties," the report added.


    A Russian Su-35 downed by Ukrainian forces in the Kharkiv region in April.Press service of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff/Handout via REUTERS

    Nonetheless, the ultimate failure of Russia's jamming campaign wasn't the technical quality of Russian jammers. Moscow's electronic offensive fizzled for the same reasons that the ground offensive bogged down.

    Poor planning, lack of coordination, and a general indifference by Russian commanders toward getting the details right doomed what many thought would be easy advance on Kyiv.

    Strangely, despite otherwise impressive EW capabilities, Russian communications security has also been atrocious, including instances of Russian soldiers using unencrypted cell phones for battlefield communications, allowing Ukrainian intelligence and foreign powers to eavesdrop.

    The role of jamming in Ukraine reflects the growing importance of the electromagnetic spectrum for modern conflict. Using radio signals, infrared sensing, and radar to track foes and communicate with friendly forces is vital to combined-arms warfare.


    A couple looks at a wrecked Russian SPR-2M mobile jamming vehicle on display in Kyiv on June 26.Alex Chan Tsz Yuk/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images

    Jamming itself has been a fixture of warfare since World War II, when Allied bombers and German air defenses waged a destructive cat-and-mouse game over Europe.

    In the 1940s, manual jammers and chaff — aluminum strips that reflect radar waves like a real aircraft — could disrupt and decoy radio and radar.

    Today's systems are more sophisticated. "Stealth" technology makes aircraft harder to find, aircraft-mounted pods automatically detect and jam enemy radars, and radars are being designed to switch frequencies to avoid jamming.

    But events in Ukraine show that even highly effective EW is not infallible — the game of electronic move and countermove will continue.
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    • One assumes NATO has also managed to collect a huge amount of valuable intelligence on Russian EW characteristics and capabilities. Nice of them to flash their nickers like that, it gives the west a chance to adapt and come up with better countermeasures.
      Last edited by Monash; 24 Nov 22,, 13:02.
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      • Originally posted by Monash View Post
        One assumes NATO also managed to collect a huge amount of valuable intelligence on Russian EW characteristics and capabilities. Nice of them to flash their nickers like that, it gives the west a chance to adapt and come up with better countermeasures.
        There must be analysts working in shifts at the moment sifting through all the data coming in from this war. While this is far from a facimilie of any expected NATO/Russia conflict, the lessons to learn are legion. Similarly, there will be folks in China poring over this stuff trying to work out what there is to learn.
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        • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post

          There must be analysts working in shifts at the moment sifting through all the data coming in from this war. While this is far from a facimilie of any expected NATO/Russia conflict, the lessons to learn are legion. Similarly, there will be folks in China poring over this stuff trying to work out what there is to learn.
          China though will be at significant disadvantage in terms of real time intelligence gathering. Barring evidence to the contrary it doesn't have the ability to place ELINT assets in the area 24/7. (Unless of course there's been a sudden influx if Chinese 'fishing boats' into the Black Sea!) NATO on the other hand can swamp the battle space with land, sea and air intelligence gathering assets as it deems necessary. And you can bet that at the same time China is also deeply worried about how this war has unfolded because so much of their equipment is either Russian tech or directly derived from Russian tech.
          Last edited by Monash; 24 Nov 22,, 22:41.
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          • So apparently in tandem with the TB2 Bayraktar drone Turkey has been supplying their version of the HIMARS to Ukraine.

            Not saying it's a game changer but it is shows a splintering of the apparent close ties between Ankara & Moscow? We shall see.


            https://twitter.com/UkraineRussia2/s...ssiles-ukraine

            Turkey supplied laser-guided missiles to Ukraine


            Combined with TB2 Bayraktar drones, Turkish-produced TRLG-230 missiles could be used to pinpoint targets in fight against Russian invasion

            A multiple rocket launcher fires TRLG-230 missile in an unspecified location (Roketsan)

            Published date: 23 November 2022 11:31 UTC | Last update: 1 day 5 hours ago2.4kShares

            Turkey delivered dozens of TRLG-230 precision-guided missiles to Ukraine in the early summer, two sources familiar with the issue told Middle East Eye.

            Developed by Turkish producer Roketsan, the 230mm TRLG-230 missile has high accuracy against targets within a range of 20-70 km, thanks to its global positioning system (GPS) and laser guidance.

            The TRLG-230 can be combined with multiple rocket launchers, known as MLRS, whose American equivalent, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), has been very effective against the Russian forces in Ukraine.

            MEE understands that around 50 TRLG-230 missiles have been shipped to Ukraine, confirming what defence blog Oryx reported on Monday. One source said as many as 200 missiles could have been shipped so far.

            Orxy said in an article that the guided missile could be combined with Turkey’s famed Bayraktar TB2 armed drones, which could pinpoint targets for the guided missile and help successfully destroy them within a range of 70 kilometers.

            Stijn Mitzer, an arms expert who runs Oryx, told MEE that Turkey was the first country to deliver such equipment to Ukraine, even before the United States had supplied its HIMARS, which first arrived in Ukraine in June.

            “TRLG-230 missiles are destined for pinpoint strikes on target, rather than firing a lot of them at once as with a regular multiple rocket launcher,” he said.

            Undated footage surfaced on Ukrainian social media on Tuesday night allegedly showing a TRLG-230 missile being fired in Ukraine, indicating that they are being used one at a time rather than in multiple firings.

            Footage released by the Azerbaijani military last year revealed that Baku had used TRLG-230s in the 2020 conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, where TB2s also played a central role.

            Ukraine and Turkey have close defence industry cooperation, a relationship that has flourished in recent years. The TB2's producer Baykar, which has close ties to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s family, was building a plant in Ukraine before the war.

            Ukrainian companies also produce the TB2's engines, and Turkey has sold dozens of Bayraktars to Kyiv over the course of the past two years.

            Frequent flights between Turkey and Poland between February and April indicate that Turkey has continued to deliver TB2s and its MAM-L munition to Kyiv since the Russian invasion began.
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            • Looks like Putin's beloved Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is showing some splits in it's framework.

              Armenia is not screwing around. The refusal of Russia to come to Armenia's assistance as per agreement, not once but twice, when Armenia was attacked by Azerbaijan recently. The demonstrated weakness of the Bear is bringing consequences.

              https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/sta...38222273114112

              The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is an intergovernmental military alliance, consisting of six po
              st-Soviet states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia & Tajikistan. Nikol Pashinyan is Prime Minister of Armenia. Times have changed & Putin's a pariah.
              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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              • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                So apparently in tandem with the TB2 Bayraktar drone Turkey has been supplying their version of the HIMARS to Ukraine.

                Not saying it's a game changer but it is shows a splintering of the apparent close ties between Ankara & Moscow? We shall see.
                Ankara is adamant to Moscow that S400 deliveries not be delayed. Yeah, it's complicated. On the one hand, it's money Moscow can really use. On the other, they're S400s Moscow can't use in the UKR.
                Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 24 Nov 22,, 20:36.
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                • Turkey seems to want to play both sides... dangerous game, that.

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                  • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Ankara is adamant to Moscow that S400 deliveries not be delayed. Yeah, it's complicated. On the one hand, it's money Moscow can really use. On the other, they're S400s Moscow can't use in the UKR.
                    Yup...Putin appears to think he is playing chess when he is really playing checkers.
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                    • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                      Turkey seems to want to play both sides... dangerous game, that.
                      But it holds a place of power that trumps all other conditions...controlling the Dardanelles.
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                      • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                        Turkey seems to want to play both sides... dangerous game, that.
                        Maybe the US can sweeten the pot!
                        There's still the F14's and the modernization kits, that Turks want!
                        Maybe that will soften their stance on Finland&Sweden!
                        ...and once those two are in, then Turkey can go piss up a rope for all I care!
                        Better to loose an ally, then have one in the alliance that plays both ends against the middle!
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                        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                          Yup...Putin appears to think he is playing chess when he is really playing checkers.
                          Chess master Garry Kasparov said something similar, except he used poker instead of checkers,
                          Problem is he’s a lousy poker player, and constantly overplays his hand!

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                          • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                            Looks like Putin's beloved Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) is showing some splits in it's framework.

                            Armenia is not screwing around. The refusal of Russia to come to Armenia's assistance as per agreement, not once but twice, when Armenia was attacked by Azerbaijan recently. The demonstrated weakness of the Bear is bringing consequences.

                            https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/sta...38222273114112

                            st-Soviet states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia & Tajikistan. Nikol Pashinyan is Prime Minister of Armenia. Times have changed & Putin's a pariah.
                            Even though justified its still a very risky move on Armenia's part. Putin doesn't have to do much to 'punish' Armenia. No direct military intervention required, just a phone call to Azerbaijan telling them they're 'off the leash' and that Russia won't intervene if military action resumes with perhaps the promise of some real time intelligence to sweeten the pot. And better yet from Putin's perspective? Doing so sends a clear message to every other member of his little private club about the consequences of screwing with him. Oh and I also hope the President of Armenia has both good life insurance and a private food taster, he's probably going to need both.
                            Last edited by Monash; 24 Nov 22,, 23:36.
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                            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                              But it holds a place of power that trumps all other conditions...controlling the Dardanelles.
                              Yeah, geographical politics... perfect example.

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                              • Originally posted by Monash View Post

                                China though will be at significant disadvantage in terms of real time intelligence gathering. Barring evidence to the contrary it doesn't have the ability to place ELINT assets in the area 24/7. (Unless of course there's been a sudden influx if Chinese 'fishing boats' into the Black Sea!) NATO on the other hand can swamp the battle space with land, sea and air intelligence gathering assets as it deems necessary. And you can bet that at the same time China is also deeply worried about how this war has unfolded because so much of their equipment is either Russian tech or directly derived from Russian tech.
                                China certainly doesn't have access to the quality & volume of data NATO does, but they would have enough to gain some useful insights....assuming they are open to the idea those insights are relevant. Beyond OSINT I'm sure China has sources in Russia & even Iran with useful information to offer.
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