Twitter for what it's worth is claiming the assault on the air port failed because Ukrainian ADA wasn't fully suppressed. At least 1 AN226 was brought down and the bigger IL76's never showed up. Ukraine is also claiming they have brought down 5 Russian helps there. Claims UA had a rapid reaction and UA spetsnaz brigade on hand/ able to respond.
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Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
That's the most likely scenario. A similar situation to 2003, the U.S. blew through the Iraqi armed forces like a bag of leaves....and then afterwards the shit hit the fan.
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Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
That's the most likely scenario. A similar situation to 2003, the U.S. blew through the Iraqi armed forces like a bag of leaves....and then afterwards the shit hit the fan.
Also, I don't know for sure, but I always assumed Russia's best troops and gear were in Kaliningrad Oblast.
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Originally posted by Monash View Post
I've read some speculation (In Reuters I think) on the issue of gas. The thinking was something along the lines that America and its Allies may have been sounding out major gas producers about trying to 'shuffle the deck' on gas contracts in the event Russia shuts off the tap. The idea would be for producers closer to Europe (say the middle east) to temporarily 'switch' some sales to Europe and then have other global suppliers step in to handle contracted deliveries the middle eastern suppliers might 'default' on as a result. Presumably the idea is that when (or if) the sanctions end everything shuffles back to previous settings.).
Two big issues I see; 1) Logistics. Do Europe's existing seaport gas terminals have the capacity to handle the extra tankers required?
2) Organization: How easy would it be to coordinate the switch over? I can see most of the big players including Australia being on board but in the end how practical is it?sigpic
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Originally posted by Mithridates View Post
More like a steady drip of casualties. Peaked at ~150 a month. I have a feeling the Russians will be more cold-blooded about reprisals against civilians than we were. I'm not optimistic that a Ukrainian resistance can hold out in the face of threats to family members. We'll see.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by Mithridates View PostWhat's everyone's take on why the Russians did not replicate the pre-Desert Storm month-long bombardment before going in on the ground?
Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 25 Feb 22,, 01:38.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe Ukrainians did not co-opoerate by massing to face the Russian onslaught and thus, denying Russian birdnrains viable targets.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostPutin announced a goal of regime change before the invasion. Is now announcing terms that merely require demilitarization and no NATO...... Things not going swimmingly?
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Originally posted by Mithridates View PostSo there was method behind their madness. It's possible their defense strategy is essentially the Taliban's and Saddam's dead-enders', after a few hiccups - draw the conventional force in and bleed it slowly, by noting patterns and punishing the occupiers for these repetitive habits.
In any event, Russian supply lines won't be anything like Afghanistan I and II in terms of sheer distance but I still wouldn't want to be an SV Ural driver in Ukraine for all the spiced rum in the world.
“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
That sounds like their best option if they can't at least keep the Russians from taking Kiev and installing a puppet government.
In any event, Russian supply lines won't be anything like Afghanistan I and II in terms of sheer distance but I still wouldn't want to be an SV Ural driver in Ukraine for all the spiced rum in the world.
Make it as clear as possible that no Russian backed government can ever be legitimate and that every Ukranian from top to bottom should fight. It won't change anything immediately, but it might help the longer term fight.sigpic
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I'm still struggling to understand what Putin hopes to achieve by this all-out invasion. If it was a limited operation to occupy Donbas or create a land corridor to Crimea I might understand. But this seems to be way beyond that. Even if the invasion succeeds what then? Any puppet government he leaves behind is likely to be overthrown quickly by Ukrainians who will be even more pissed off at Russia and anyone supporting it than they are already. Any agreement to not join NATO made as part of the terms of surrender won't be worth the paper it's written on. It can and will be repudiated by a future Ukrainian administration. He can't keep invading again and again. A complete occupation of Ukraine is not feasible because of the insurgency that would create that'd make the Iraqi one seem like a cakewalk. And this is besides whatever economic costs Russia will have to bear as a result of sanctions.
And it seems like the assault on Kyiv at least may be floundering. This might turn out to be a very bad miscalculation on Putin's part overall . Maybe he's getting too old for this shit.Last edited by Firestorm; 25 Feb 22,, 02:12.
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Originally posted by Mithridates View PostSo there was method behind their madness.
Originally posted by Mithridates View PostIt's possible their defense strategy is essentially the Taliban's and Saddam's dead-enders', after a few hiccups - draw the conventional force in and bleed it slowly, by noting patterns and punishing the occupiers for these repetitive habits.
Originally posted by Bigfella View PostThere might be value in a doomed 'last stand' outside Kyiv with Zelensky visibly risking his life. There is a morale/symbolism aspect that could have value beyond the short term military loss. Make the Russians fight for it. Show Ukranians that their army went down fighitng. Show them that their President stayed & fought
If he were in my chain of command, I would have relieved him for incompetence.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 25 Feb 22,, 02:34.Chimo
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Reportedly audio from Snake Island in Black Sea:
RUSSIAN NAVY -This is a Russian military ship. I suggest you lay down your weapons and surrender to avoid bloodshed and unnecessary victims. Otherwise we will open fire on you.
UKRAINIAN SOLDIER -Russian military ship, go fuck yourself.
They were all killed.
These Ukrainians are hard motherf--kers."Draft beer, not people."
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